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Quote from: jbreher on June 14, 2020, 10:44:23 PM

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Quote from: jbreher on June 14, 2020, 06:04:37 PM

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on June 12, 2020, 03:15:26 AM

^ you underestimate the circumstances of the current generation of protesters. They have been trashed on the economic scrap pile since entering the workforce, not had jobs having a pick of vocations like the boomers.

Maybe I'm out of touch, but I really don't get this whine. Economic progress is so simple it is stupid. Create something of value that someone else is willing to pay you for. End of story.

Bulls. You'll make a shit when you don't have a capital to educate yourself for beginners. It's like saying you should run and win a race if you're good enough even if you're way behind on starting point.

Capitalist systems, specially the one in USA are made for rich to stay rich and poor to be their legal slaves forever. Sure, there will be one, two or 10 examples of people coming out by some strange way, but 99.99% of them will always serve their masters as they just didn't have a chance to do anything different. The rich will educate their kids ant best universities and prepare them to take over as next generation leafders and the rest will continue to eat their dust.

You think some poor guy coming from poor neighborhood have a chance of coming with covid-19 vaccine, either as owner of the company or as one of lead scientists working for it and make billions/millions from that business? He has my arse. He neither has a chance to educate himself to come close to those circles or to have a capital to be an entrepreneur behind it.

Nobody starts at the top. If shit needs shovelin' then make your living shoveling shit. Once you learn how to that efficiently, teach someone else how to do so as well. Employ them in the shit shovelin' business. After going through a few shit shovelers, mostly who would rather whine than actually work, you'll develop some managerial skills and money management skills. Which are transferable skills which will allow you to build a veritable shit shoveling empire.

Don't shovel shit at me telling me there are no opportunities. Plenty of shit in the world needs shovelin'.

Nobody starts at top my arse. Ask Trump. Or Bushs. Or Kennedys...... when you are stripped of good starting positions, good education before everything else, you can suck someone's dick. Unless you mined Bitcoin early and hodled. This world is designed to make rich richer and to transfer that to the next generation of their kids. It was always like that with kings and shit, unless it was changed by sword. But just to make another group rich and powerful, until the sword hits again.

For me, the structural unfairness does not mean that you should not attempt to find some kind of niche... which seems to be part of what jbreher was saying... and it does not mean that you might not complain about the unfairness on a regular basis, but it seems to me that you should be attempting to figure out ways to profit in spite of such unfairnesses (whether merely perceived or real) without getting thrown in jail but sure if you want to get thrown in jail, hopefully your sentence is not very long in such a way that you are going to fuck up your whole life because you are so mad that you cannot figure out a way of attempting to work the system to your advantage without having your opportunities unnecessarily zapped from you, especially if you are already starting from a disadvantaged place..

And, sure some rich people probably deserve to be in jail, but how the fuck is that going to help you to merely complain about it? Maybe instead you figure out ways to maybe prosecute them or otherwise figure out ways that you can get by and support yourself at the same time that your goals might be to fight towards the improvement of structural unfairnesses. What are you going to do? and what is your role going to be within this system as it exists? You think overthrowing it is a productive path... good luck with that, because you are going to need it... there are a lot of smart ways to proceed, and those ways may even be multi-faceted.