Quote from: Boombl4 on June 27, 2020, 11:03:54 AM

Private messages:
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If this PM is real, the following post (2 days earlier) is not (or no longer) true:

Quote from: elmanchez on June 24, 2020

im not using telegram

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Note: In general, I don't trust screenshots, and I'm ignoring the Telegram screenshots because anyone can say they're someone else on there.
As I said in another topic: by using Telegram, you make it very easy for scammers and very difficult for anyone to ever find out who's trying to cheat. Most of this stuff can be discussed in a public topic on the Currency exchange board.
The "evidence" in this topic is terrible to review. It's a mess! Now compare that to http://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5252054.html and please just keep deals in the open when possible!

Quote from: Boombl4 on June 27, 2020, 12:53:48 PM

The impersonator offered to use his friend as "escrow".

Apart from who's trying to impersonate who, I don't think DireWolfM14 gets any blame here. He's not even the one calling someone their "friend".

Quote from: suchmoon on June 27, 2020, 05:51:59 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on June 27, 2020, 03:37:01 PM

I don't know what's going on here, or why I'm being dragged into this, but no one contacted me for escrow. If elmanchez had contacted me for escrow for a currency exchange, I would have happily obliged. Yeah, I said I like him, and I still do, so why wouldn't I help him trade safely?

He gets entangled in an extraordinary number of shady deals though. That's either very bad luck or perhaps some actual correlation.

I've seen him do quite a lot of deals, which increases the chance of hitting a scammer.

Quote from: bob123 on June 27, 2020, 07:09:22 PM

This thread, together with the other thread is more than just suspicious.

After reading the first 30 posts in this topic (while ignoring Telegram screenshots), I still haven't seen any convincing evidence.

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Regarding the linked thread.. i mean come on.. Who receives a message saying "please send a message containing address X to account Y" and does exactly that.

The other thread was indeed more convincing. It was dumb to PM someone else's addy, but I can imagine how a naive person trying to be fast does something like that.

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I mean, alright. Benefit of the doubt.
But together with this here, i tend to believe it indeed was just a reinsurance for himself instead of just stupid behavior.

I'm not convinced yet. I am quite convinced though that Boombl4 is out for blood, with or without valid reason.

Quote from: Boombl4 on June 28, 2020, 12:11:41 PM

I believe there is nothing wrong with telegram because 99% of people using it here for fast communication.

Telegram is a scammer's paradise because it allows to delete the other user's conversation, you can change your nickname, and I've seen people get tricked by hiding the nickname and using someone else's nickname as "bio". Telegram is great if you know who you're dealing with, but anyone can claim they own a certain Bitcointalk account. If someone for instance claims he's me, it's pretty likely it's someone else.

Quote from: eddie13 on June 28, 2020, 10:54:15 PM

If you think telegram is just as good of a place to do business then why aren't you taking this to the telegram scam accusations board but instead are bringing it here?

That's a very good point, and it would solve the problem of very large and unclear accusation threads on Bitcointalk.

Quote from: eddie13 on June 29, 2020, 08:39:12 PM

Can hardly feel sorry for someone who refuses to listen to advice about the dangers of doing business on telegram..
Go on ahead and get scammed again..

For all I know you are both/all parties trying to scam elmanchez out of a guilt trip refund..

Another good point! Since he said he would refund this user (even though it hasn't happened yet), he might have painted mark on his account for other scammers to target.
All this is of course speculation. But I agree with you: I can hardly feel sorry for someone who ignores and even denies the many scams on Telegram.

Quote from: Boombl4 on June 29, 2020, 09:06:22 PM

I did this post to warm the community about those scammers and give them information what they are doing.

The main warning should be: don't use Telegram for users you don't know!