https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491181.msg5474716#msg5474716

Quote from: AnonyMint on March 03, 2014, 02:26:59 AM

I really want to sign off now, because I have programming work to do. So I hope this is the last time I need to rebutt here.

Quote from: DooMAD on March 02, 2014, 10:57:43 PM

If they can't stop people torrenting movies and games, they won't be able to stop the flow of digital money.

And my point is I agree with you only if the coin has anonymity which the NSA can't subvert.

Bitcoin does not and will never have it.

Because we are talking about control of money, which is essential to governments' existence, so they will fight with every tool in their warchest. As they have been with 9/11 falseflag to foist AML and KYC laws every where. Now FATCA forced on all sovereign nations. Downloaded media has actually been a boon to Hollywood not an existential threat, and they aren't the government any way.

So as I said, you have a few screws loose in your ability to see reality. Perhaps you can tighten them.

Quote from: Ichthyo on March 02, 2014, 05:20:01 PM

This whole thread is built upon a fundamental misconception

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The decision to handle and classify Bitcoins in a specific way is a political decision.

Exactly it is a political outcome and the fact of democracy is that it is a power vacuum and always controlled by the vested interests who control the money i.e. the banksters. And you thought I was disagreeing, because you conflate orthogonal issues as non-intellectual people do.

Quote from: r0ach on March 03, 2014, 01:38:55 AM

Did anyone even mention the legal fees to accomplish all this would probably be equal or higher than the Bitcoin market cap itself? lol

And you are too myopic or naive apparently to see that the real cost here is the loss of control of the money, which is an existential threat to government and vested interests. They will spare no expense and besides Japan is complicit state in their network. Haven't you seen that Rockefeller is often over there hobnobbing with the elite and government over there.

Quote from: leopard2 on March 02, 2014, 11:49:36 PM

BTC is not legal tender but clearly a BEARER INSTRUMENT

so, not affected in most countries

http://books.google.ch/books?id=uJxxMrf4MEkC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=Nemo+dat+quod+non+habet+bearer+instrument&source=bl&ots=RNMPS9ew7Z&sig=6UxI9ljhlE7nsAZHMqR1dIRDdds&hl=de&sa=X&ei=CsETU8WLMMLnygP96oGwBQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&f=false

...because it is not practically possible to chase bearer instruments, that is why lawmakers all over the world agree on this

You searched on a Germanic language Google, the english link is:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uJxxMrf4MEkC&lpg=PA244&ots=RNMPSafs85&dq=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&pg=PA244#v=onepage&q=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&f=false

This does not apply to Bitcoin because bearer instruments (e.g. physical ownership certificates without a name on them and no ledger) are an exception only because the law doesn't want to make illegal what it can't enforce, as it makes the law look impotent.

Bitcoin chain of ownership is very explicit in the public block chain (the public ledger), thus the law can very easily trace.

And remember we are talking about an existential threat to governments, so they will spare no effort.

I agree with you that anonymity is the way to defeat the government and make them go away.

However Tor, DarkCoin, CoinJoin, Zerocoin are all fundamentally (meaning can't be fixed) flawed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg5474597#msg5474597
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439357.msg5454853#msg5454853

Note I think Zerocoin has a very important role to play combined with my design for mixing, but not by itself.