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But you are forgetting about Sin entering the world. Sin (and Satan) is who should be blamed for cancer, sickness, pain, abuse, suffering and so on. Sin is like the world's worst computer bug. The only way to fix this "bug" is to ask the extreme "programmer" for the fix. He offers a "fix" but it requires us to accept His fix for it, which is accepting that we cannot fix the bug ourselves and we need Him (Jesus) to come and do it for us.

Although God does care about our physical health and well being, He is ultimately much more concerned about our Spiritual well being. God is eternal. Our lives are going to end on this earth. Death was a product of man's choice in the garden of Eden. It pained Him that we made (and still make) the choices we do. It is like we keep downloading software with bugs all the time. God is willing to clean up our computer for us if we ask Him too but it would be better if we worked hard at keeping our software free of those "bugs." I pray that God will help me live a sinful life. I don't want to grieve Him, out of love for Him. Once we truly understand the nature of God our attitude towards Him changes and in response we want to do everything we can to please Him and keep our lives, with His help, as "bug" free as possible.

Arg, you violated the unspoken "no preaching" agreement.

This exchange is over.

Sorry. Someone asked about why God would create us with cancer, sickness etc. This is my only explanation. Do you have a better one? It seems that those that believe in evolution just think this crappy world is all we have though. Seems a bit hopeless to me.

No, it's a sad fact that comes with the acceptance that this world was not created for us. I don't like this, but that I don't like something doesn't mean it's not true.

Also with the acceptance that no catastrophe, sickness or any sad thing was inflicted on us by some higher power comes also the conclusion that it is up to us and within our power to fight and change all of this (which f.E. medicine proofs every day). I find this much more appealing than the thought these things where inflicted as punishment or whatever and we just have to endure them.

Who started most of the hospitals? Who has miraculously come down and healed people of their sicknesses? God is behind the compassion and care of humanity. I don't see atheists starting hospitals and praying for the sick do you? I have seen God heal people of cancer (two people personally that I have prayed for. One with stage 3 lung cancer and one with stage 4 pancreatic cancer) Both were not expected to live. God still can still do miracles when we humble ourselves and pray. The question I still have is why He chooses to sometimes and why He chooses not to. But He is God and I am not. He has a plan bigger than what I understand and part of the process is trusting Him even when it doesn't make sense to me.

Do you think if those people who "god" healed did not have treated their cancers with doctors, medicines and etc, would survive? Yeah I guess not. But do you think they would survive without your prays? I think so. If you don't, Let's say these people were random good people who helped a lot, let's say in Africa, but didn't have a good prayer friend, they did not deserve to survive? Oh look how beautiful and good is your god.

Actually in both cases the people I prayed for had gotten to the point where the doctors could not do anything else. The doctors could not even explain why they survived. Of course these are just two cases. I have known many people die of cancer and I don't even understand myself why God chooses to heal sometimes and other times He does not. It really is beyond me. But my point is that God can heal. God sometimes heals. But in the big scheme of things, God is more concerned about our eternal well-being than our current physical well being. It isn't that He doesn't care, but He cares more where we will spend eternity than where we are living for the short-term.