Quote from: jackg on September 04, 2020, 02:59:08 PM

Quote from: Mauser on September 04, 2020, 08:34:59 AM

Quote from: squatz1 on September 03, 2020, 10:01:20 PM

I don't like the EU style of government b/c of the fact that it can force countries do certain things that they don't want to do. For example - Taking in refugees. That was a major problem over the last few years.

But that's how the EU works, you either work in as a team and get the benefits of it or you leave and that's that.

Unfortunately the EU is not a team and not working together. It's every country for them self until you are in trouble and then you call for EU to bail you out. I think it's not right to be among the countries that receive the biggest benefit each year from the EU but then work against them.

We can't stop the refugees from coming, they will just keep camping at the borders until they are enough to crush the fences. And then saying a country doesn't accept refugees so let them all stay in Italy or another border country is not fair.

The refugee crisis just showed us there is no EU - it's every country fighting alone.

Europe requires unanimous voting to do something like this imo. Each refugee would have to reside in a country for 5-9 years in order to claim citizenship of that country - at which point yes they could move about (you can also normally get "special talent" visas at about 3 years but I think those are pretty rare).

I think schengen visas are proably hard to apply for too - and the UK also isn't part of the schengen treaty - not sure about if all other countries are or not. Even if they werent we had enough empires around continental Europe do you really think it's possible to block off every border for the sake of about a million crossing - I don't?

The EU itself has continental holes too: Norway, Switzerland and the UK are separate entities, I think some UK terratories also never got listed with the EU for any form of movement of people (it's probably similar with France and Spain).

Hm. Not sure that the EU requires unanimous voting for accepting and mandating countries take in refugees. I highly doubt that Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic (all members of the EU) signed off on taking in Syrian (and other) refugees and then said that they wouldn't. Sounds like a pretty dumb political thing to do.

For anyone that doesn't know, those 3 nations listed above were nations that the EU said illegally refused to take in their share (set quota by the EU) - https://www.politico.eu/article/3-eu-countries-broke-law-by-refusing-to-take-in-refugees-says-court-lawyer/

Got any info on that? You'd know more then me in regards to EU stuff.