Quote from: strawbs on Today at 01:30:51 PM

Quote from: somac. on Today at 11:45:28 AM

Quote from: strawbs on Today at 11:30:39 AM

I'm not sure what caused you to go off on a feminist tangent - I love the company of women, especially in pubs after a few drinks. The children in pubs here are usually accompanied by both parents. If fathers or mothers want to go and drink alcohol in a pub, they should leave the little shits with grandparents, friends or child minders/baby-sitters. If they don't have access to such people but still insist on going to the pub to get drunk, maybe they should have thought more carefully before having children.

In defence of the children, being little shits is not their fault. The parents are at fault because they raised them to be little shits. My children are great, and they know to always be aware of other people when in public, because I brain washed them that way, and continue to do so.

Having said that I would never take my kids to the pub either, so I guess you only see the kids from shit parents there.

2 things that have completely fucked the world from the dawn of time. Shitty parents, and mental illness. Fix those problems and this place would be a fucking Utopia.

Absolutely. The kids of such parents deserve some pity more than criticism. It's the parents who are the target of my rant.

As well as fixing the issue of shitty parents and mental illness, I would also add the need for great teachers who want to teach...

I've always thought that teachers should be the highest paid and most respected individuals in a society. This would create high levels of competition to become a teacher, so that only the most able teachers actually become teachers. And "most able" would mean a combination of knowledge in their chosen subject, an incredible ability to actually teach, and an ability to find and nurture the interests and abilities of each individual child, so that they enter careers most beneficial to themselves and society. Imagine each generation being taught by the very best teachers. Imagine the escalating benefits over generations. That society would be so well educated, so many potential geniuses and society changers. It seems that the potential of so many children is often left untapped due to poor education.

I suspect it's the same in many countries, but here teaching seems to be a profession which is looked down upon and is very poorly paid, one which people often enter when they've failed in their career or have no idea what else to do. Here, there's an old saying: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach" (of course, there are some good teachers who want to teach, but they're a fading species).

I'm sure there are lots of flaws with this idea, but it's interesting to ponder. And governments probably don't want to risk having to control a highly educated population...

There are systematic issues too.

Of course, I am personally bothered by parents who hardly even create boundaries for their kids - but some of them are losing sight of what boundaries to set, too.

On a personal level, each of us can strive to create boundaries for our kids and to teach them those kinds of values, but what can you do about other people's kids and the widespread failures... I am just thinking that there is only so much that can be done.... not trying to give excuses for the parents who bring kids to bars like that, but if they do of course, you might be able to say something to the parents.. but what you say might not sink in.. and I am not saying that it is fruitless to assert your views..