Quote from: strawbs on Today at 01:19:26 AM

Quote from: nullius on September 29, 2020, 05:19:07 PM

Quote from: strawbs on September 23, 2020, 11:30:39 AM

You most certainly can (and should) expect people (men and women) who have kids to change their behaviour. They're meant to have grown up and become responsible, not continue to get drunk in bars, but now with a child in tow.

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No, people do not suddenly “change their behaviour” and “become responsible” when they have children.

Um, yes they frequently do just that. Most of my peer group and I acted irresponsibly before having children. After having children, we realised we needed to act responsibly, so we did so. And we continue to do so. As do millions of others.

Your such statement says more about your standards for “acting responsibly” than anything else.

I don’t know you; and regardless of how personal you want to make this, one particular case says little either way about a general rule. I do know that millions of others are not behaving in a manner that could be sanely described as “responsible”. Vide the results: A degenerate culture that worsens with every generation.

Oh, don’t evade responsibility by blaming the schools and the mass media as you continue believing the unexamined assumptions that they taught you. Somebody is buying what they are selling. That somebody is you, most of your peer group, and millions of others.

As for yourself, remember that the basic standard of reproductive success is not having children: It is having grandchildren, and having them live in a sane and responsible manner just as, I have no doubt, you continue to uphold standards at least as high as those of your grandparents. Having children is easy; anybody can do it, even (or especially) when drunk.

Remember this in thirty years. Have a nice trip!

Quote from: strawbs on Today at 01:19:26 AM

(n.b. using walls of text does not validate a flawed argument).

Your use of that nonsensical cliché to evade a coherently stated argument, and wholly to evade the primary point thereof, says more about your level of literacy than anything else.

Protip: The only thing that can be sensibly dismissed as a “wall of text” is a disorganized, rambling mess lacking in proper punctuation and paragraph breaks. If mere length is your criterion for a “wall of text”, then it will be a sad day if you should ever encounter a book.

Quote from: strawbs on Today at 02:08:53 AM

This presidential 'debate' - two incompetent guys being chaired by an incompetent chair, arguing incompetently to try to persuade incompetent people that they would make a competent president. All the time ignoring the fact that an incompetent president is exactly what the real wielders of power want.

Well, there you go saying something sensible.

If you were to try reading what I have said, rather than just jerking your knee at my exclusionary suggestion and then trying to Win The Debate!, then perhaps you may make that a trend.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on September 29, 2020, 10:26:12 PM

Quote from: nullius on September 29, 2020, 05:19:07 PM

Really. Whyever would you expect for a woman who habitually gets drunk in bars to become a responsible mother?

... confirmed!

At least they fuck great. Grin

Well, there is the silver lining for the Tourist!

Quote from: nullius on February 08, 2018, 11:54:02 PM

What’s left is to secure yourself, take care of your own, live by honour alone whereas law is meaningless, keep busy with something productive, and try to have some fun.