Quote from: awesome31312 on Today at 02:32:56 PM

I chimed into this thread asking if Cloudbet is still giving US players the boot (common complaint). They don't georestrict players from the US so intentions are clear. Also, as the other dude pointed out, they led a social media campaign specifically targeting an American audience regarding bets about the American election. So they bait US players. I also talked about how immoral it is for them to suggest VPN use as evidence of any wrong doing. This was a couple years ago, man.

On the other hand, all your account has talked about is Cloudbet. Why make a new account to discuss this? I have only ever had one account. The other account I made was TheRealAwesome31312 when I discovered that my account had been hacked. Only scammers make new accounts for reputation purposes.

For the record, I didn't "white knight" for anybody. What happens in this case is between you and that one dude. However, you can't deny Cloudbet is known for some dodgy dealings against many many players (Just look at reddit). This guy isn't the first to raise issues with Cloudbet.

As posted earlier in this thread when previously attacked like you are doing now, which you might've realized if you weren't just coming here after not posting for 15 total months to white knight for efxes, I came to this site via efxes posting on a forum called SBR (sportsbookreview). He asked for help, and was quickly shown to be a dishonest actor. He asked for my help. I gave it to him. It flew in the face of his scam so immediately I was attacked by him. So I came here when I found out he was running the same charade here. Which you were one of the actors that were aiding him in said attack.

In regards to your unfairness towards Cloudbet, and my willingness to call a spade a spade. First off, you didn't cite any other issues. You avoided your previous post and my reponse to it.

Quote from: awesome31312 on Today at 01:57:35 AM

Welcome to the forum dude!

There are multiple issues we're looking at here. It's not just one player.

I don't know Cloudbet from a hole in the wall. I can't deny that I've seen issues arise with Cloudbet from reading through this thread, that much is true. I can totally verify that the issues I have seen have by in large, if not all been worked out fairly by Cloudbet. I've seen many cases resolved, and I've seen a few unresolved such as this one, which seemed appropriate. Certainly in line with what is normal to see for any Sportsbook. Again I challenge you to stand behind your words and the direction you've now continued to take:

Quote from: RedApples on Today at 03:59:37 AM

If you want to bring up cases where they are actively scamming players, by all means, I'm sure we are all ears and looking to listen. BTW, that is a challenge to you, to see if what you just wrote is actually just BS, or if you're just white knighting which you clearly are.

As for as your statement that because they are offering betting options for USA presidential elections that they must be baiting US citizens. Your intentions are clearly see through and unfair. How can you make the calculation and statement that because of that they are TARGETING Americans, and baiting them? For starters, wouldn't that mean that any site offering American sports are baiting Americans? I lived overseas for over half of the past year, and from someone who has traveled a lot it's very clear that the rest of the world is not only a lot better informed than us Americans, but they on average are paying a lot more attention to the elections than we are. On the same note, they are probably paying a lower degree of attention to our sports and more attention to their own local ones. Taking that personal analysis and opinion and putting it aside for a second, it's just a betting market. As stated, all sites should be offering such a huge betting market. & even going with your own logic, why not cater to Americans that aren't dishonest actors and living in Mexico or Canada or somewhere else that they've sought refuge to bet sports, play poker, etc? Your statement about baiting Americans by offering the election to bet on is flagrantly stupid and flies in the face of any logic.

None of this is surprising. Just read your posts. You literally rose up from the dead to support this scammer.