Quote from: zikzik on Today at 09:30:31 PM

Quote from: nullius on Today at 09:18:28 PM

So, why not pull back for a little while, let the mediator find in your favour (since you’re so innocent—Betcoin.AG is just lying about you, with zero evidence that you were multi-accounting), and then blast the hell out of Betcoin.AG for refusing to return the money to you as promised (which you must be sure they will do, since you are accusing them of scamming and stealing from you)?

Yes, indeed, it would be the correct path of actions.

Unfortunately i am a too emotionally driven person to act rationally in situations like this.
I just cant stand when others lie about me.

Well, I can certainly understand that. Though what got me sucked into this thread was a bit too much emotion from people arguing both for and against Betcoin.AG; it is not helping to get to the truth of the matter.

Now, you’re a betting man, right? So, let’s put it this way:

I have never done sportsbook, other than my current epic charity bet with theymos over the U.S. election cockfight. If I want to gamble, I will typically do either pure games of chance—or poker.

I don’t know you—and I don’t know Betcoin.AG. I am looking from the outside here. And it looks to me like somebody is bluffing here.

If you’ve got the high cards—that is to say, if Betcoin.AG’s got a hand full of nothing to show the mediator—then it’s a bad play for you to be making all the forum noise now. That’s why I said, pull back a bit—be cool, up the ante—and then, go nuclear on them if (a) the mediator finds in your favour, and (b) Betcoin.AG refuses to abide by mediation as publicly promised. There’s your ace! Wink

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Quote from: zikzik on Today at 09:30:31 PM

If you are neutral, please, please, ask the betcoin representative this (he is obviously just ignoring all the questions i ask) :

I’m just a spectator here. Calling it as I see it.

If I were to pose to Betcoin.AG the questions that you ask, then I would probably also need to ask Betcoin.AG to share with me whatever confidential security information they have said that they will show a neutral mediator. Even if they would (and I am not saying they would!), I do not desire to become so deeply involved here.

Quote from: zikzik on Today at 09:30:31 PM

Please ask him if apart from those matches, the bets on these accounts were exactly the same?

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on October 26, 2020, 03:06:52 PM

Quote from: zikzik on October 26, 2020, 02:59:56 PM

What you are trying to do here, is to call foul on a "multi account" rule, if two people bet the same games?

This undermines the whole point of betting and tipsters communities and sounds very very manipulative to me ...

To clarify, we never said anything to you about betting the same games. This is not a suspicion This is part of a detailed investigation, which has proven that you multi have multiple malicious betting accounts. We will share our evidence with the 3rd party mediator and abide by their decision.

Oh, also:

Quote from: zikzik on Today at 09:30:31 PM

I know i did nothing wrong, apart from the things (and that included breaking the TOS, like using VPN)

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on October 26, 2020, 03:19:47 PM

We do not ban players for using VPN unless it is determined that the VPN is used to circumvent other TOS (in this case, multi-accounting and banned region). These are handled on a case by case basis, depending on the violation. In most cases related to banned region, players are allowed to receive the deposit back, at minimum. In this case, due to the abusive nature of the accounts, the balances were seized. Otherwise, it incentivizes the fraudster from returning, knowing that at worst he will get his money deposited back.

Like most Bitcoin sites, since we do not require KYC, we review the account activity upon withdrawal. [...]

We would never close anyone's account without speaking to them first unless we were 100% certain of fraud. In this case, we have very clear evidence. We cannot share this with the player, because it helps them find ways around it for their next fraud, but we are prepared to provide them to a third party mediator, which we have been suggesting to this player since the day this event occurred.

I think that the mediator really needs to have a look at this. I will not pretend to know what happened here.

Question for zikzik, in fairness: Betcoin.AG has publicly promised to abide by the results of the mediation. Do you, too?