Quote from: zikzik on Today at 09:46:54 PM

Quote from: nullius on Today at 09:39:33 PM

Having been involved with abuse-handling work in the past, I know that sometimes, that can be tantamount to writing an instruction manual on “How To NOT GET CAUGHT Next Time”. What Betcoin themselves said on Page 1 is reasonable, on that particular point.

is there a security reason for them not to exactly specify the balance of my account (if there is a chance that mediator will find me not guilty and i should get my btc back) ?

I think that’s a more reasonable question. Anyone from Betcoin.AG want to address that? I can only presume this; I don’t know why they have not provided that information:

Quote from: nullius on October 31, 2020, 11:26:38 PM

Quote from: zikzik on October 31, 2020, 10:33:05 PM

He just simply ignores ANY request for some exact information. Hell, he even still did not provide anybody with the exact balance of my account. Can that somehow put their security protocols in scrutiny ?

I am guessing that it goes something along the lines of advice to the effect that, “If somebody is publicly accusing you of stealing money from him, and demanding that you specify the exact amount that he claims you stole, then STFU and don’t do discovery on a public forum.”

That said, I would think that this kind of information would need to be disclosed through any kind of a reasonable mediation process; and I do not see a reason why it should be kept confidential there.

Same as for this:

Quote from: zikzik on Today at 09:46:54 PM

is there a security reason for them not to release the list of bets that i took at this account, to prove that i was abusing their limits, as they say? I mean i took those bets, i already know them ... i lost BIG on them, so i kinda remember them Wink

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Quote from: zikzik on Today at 09:46:54 PM

There is nothing in the world they can show that can prove that the two accounts in question belong to me.

I don’t know if you are guilty or not. I know that if you are, your VPN was not protecting you as you thought it was (LOL). Based on my own security expertise, I would not assume that they can have no evidence.

Yes, I am confident that I myself could avoid any multi-account detection. No, I will not tell the fine folks here how to do it. If you try, you will probably get screwed—tough luck.

If you are innocent, then I expect that Betcoin.AG will probably fall flat on their faces at mediation; and they have already promised to return your deposits if the mediator says to, so...

Separately, I am curious about what Betcoin.AG thinks of my liquidated damages idea; though if they took it seriously, I would understand if it just shows up in revised TOS sometime. Lawyers usually advise their clients not to discuss legal decisions in public.

I don’t like the idea of just keeping all deposits, without regard to proportionality; though if there is real evidence of fraud, I would not necessarily call that a scam, either. I would assess that point on a case-by-case basis, if I were in the mediator’s position (which I am not). Whereas liquidated damages would reasonably deter repeat abuse as a secondary effect, as a practical matter—in addition to the primary purpose of covering abuse-handling costs and business risk from abuse.

Weird, this sudden pile-on about Hhampuz. Why don’t the people making this about Hhampuz create a hundred new Reputation threads about how Hhampuz is pure evil, and meanwhile address what I said in an intelligent manner—or wait for the evidence to be reviewed by a neutral third-party mediator before opining.

What is this thread about?