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Quote from: asiabtc on March 06, 2014, 01:19:34 PM

we have another way for bitcoin miner. OEM, You buy chipset, we just do EMS. it can help to reduce cost.

Do you mean you will sell the boards alone fully populated or that you just provide the chipset/boards and buyers would have to purchase ASICs to populate?

Or do you mean just the boards + controller without the case/psu etc to cut down on cost?

Thats what I was trying to say, barebones boards, would you need a controller I thought it used a Rpi as a controller?

Quote from: QuestionTime on March 06, 2014, 05:27:17 PM

Buyers would have to supply the ASIC chips as the chips are proprietary tech.

Whats the difference between supplying entire miners WITH the chips or boards WITH the chips.

As the the proprietary tech, do you mean bitmine? Its only their word on it, and their word isn't exactly good round these parts these days according to their customers.

I would have thought that if Bitmine were so full of ownership of the A1 chips then they would have been able to legally stop these guys dead in their tracks from manufacturing or selling chips based on their proprietary tech. As that hasn't happened yet I'm reluctant to believe either party.

If they're getting the chips from bitmine, no problems.

I would prefer to err on the side of caution, the possible few dollars profit really isn't worth it. More so if you've already got a few miners you'd rather not have to justify why they shouldn't also be seized or destroyed.

Then err on the side of caution, but don't go around accusing unless you have proof, plus what's your interest in all this anyway?

Plus, to make this an even handed comment, even if Bitmine can prove that someone stole their IP how are they going to know if you have one?

When the CEO of the company heavily involved in the design of the chip, financially or otherwise, posts:

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Quote from: seeksilence on March 02, 2014, 06:23:02 PM

If you check the news http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=863, you should know bitmine is just in co-operation with some Chinese company. They just bought the chip from the Chinese company and name it as "Coincraft A1" chip. The Chinese company can also sell the A1 chip. They can call it any name they want like "ABC A1" chip. So the question comes: Does the "Coincraft A1" chip means "A1" chip？I don't think so. This is something like Mcdonalds can make their hamburger and KFC can make their own too.

We do NOT buy chips from bitmine and have no business with them.

From that link:

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Designed from scratch, Bitmines Coincraft A1 is a third generation Bitcoin Mining IC developed by Bitmine in co-operation with a team of expert engineers from Innosilicon.

Doesn't say bitmine bought the chip from a Chinese company.

I'm assuming that the R&D funds came from bitmine and it's customers and that Innosilicon was contracted by bitmine for R&D, ergo, bitmine retains IP rights of the A1 chip. Unless the use of the A1 chip in these Chinese 28nm miners has been authorised by bitmine, what we're seeing here is corporate theft and entities being in possession of or receiving these miners, liable for a criminal offence.

Precisely, we are the owner of the IP inside the A1 chip and the major contributor to the know-how of the inner workings that led to its development. We are aware of things like the one happening here and we even made a press release news concerning this matter:

http://bitmine.ch/?p=5178

Whoever purchases these does that on its own risk and may be liable in its own country since we hold IP on that.

Yes, that's China.

And the Chinese resellers post:

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Quote from: skyfromwell on March 04, 2014, 04:24:00 PM

Giorgio，please clarify in legal term:

Does Innosilicon have right to sell the chips or not?

+1

It's becomes quite obvious who's wearing the pants in the CoinCraft A1 family and therefore where more credence should be lent.