Quote from: AnonyMint on March 07, 2014, 03:33:13 PM

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Quote from: AnonyMint on March 07, 2014, 02:31:40 PM

Quote from: liexel on March 07, 2014, 02:11:45 PM

five years is a long time. he might have not given much thought about indicating his real name when he wrote the paper. otherwise, he could also very well have changed his mind along the way. why else will he lay so low? it's not as if after that he went around laying hints at his identity to claim his fame. its pretty clear he doesnt want to be disturbed.

Next question on the IQ test.

Would a person who didn't want to be anonymous from the beginning, refuse every request to give any shred of information about himself, and be so technically careful that no one can find a trace of his identity in any log?

Surely the people running this forum had his IP address and traced it through and found it was running through proxies (because many were very curious about who was this person they had never heard of in the field)

(read the Newsweek article and see what Gavin said. Confirm by reading all of Satoshi's posts here in this forum and on the Cryptography discussion list)

All those who voted "Yes" have an IQ I would guess below 120, maybe even lower.

(I would have said 100 or below, but we have to account for smart people who are ignorant about the history of Satoshi's interaction on this forum and the technical capabilities of tracking someone via their IP address)

i actually dont understand whatever logic you are trying to explain.

the point is, i doubt he wanted to be found out. even if he did, it would be voluntarily, in his own time, whoever knows when that would have been. but in the meantime, it's pretty clear he wants to protect his anonymity, yet having the right to claim the invention as his own when the time is ripe.

i guess dumbass reporters are hard to predict.

The logic is:

1. If I am not concerned about being anonymous, then I will not make sure I use Tor to hide my IP address every time I communicate with the world such that I can not be traced. And I will not ignore EVERY ONE of the many questions asking for information about me.

2. Satoshi was thus obviously trying to be anonymous from the very start. And thus he would never have used his real name.

Any other factors and ideas you might have are logically irrelevant.

Quote from: herzmeister on March 07, 2014, 03:12:17 PM

Quote from: AnonyMint on March 07, 2014, 02:31:40 PM

All those who voted "Yes" have an IQ I would guess below 120, maybe even lower.

or an IQ higher than yours because they can think of a reason you can't :·>

The above logic excludes most other possible reasons.

Even if you tried to argue that he didn't know he was using Tor and had been setup by a man-in-the-middle, then why would he refuse to answer even the very simplest questions about himself.

Hey I've seen you around, I thought you were smarter than that.

unfortunately i strongly believe this guy might be it. everybody wants to believe the real Satoshi is pulling some incredible smokescreen but i highly doubt that is the case. he could have used his name for many reasons, for pride, for his own amusement, or he simply didnt think much of it. i dont know, but eccentric behaviour isnt new.

i feel like im bordering on blasphemy here but Satoshi is an engineering genius, but not a God. people can be prone to lapses in that way. it's not a pretty story but it is what it is.

Amazing how your emotional belief trumps the irrefutable logic.

Any way, it is expected with the Bell Curve that many of you will be below 100 IQ. I can't imagine what it is like. I don't know how to help you. I guess leave you alone.

Apparently you think he would think that he could be anonymous enough and the later accept or deny if he is the Satoshi. But since he is an engineer he would know that his ISP records could then be forward traced to see if he was on Tor at the same times as this forum was receiving posts from Satoshi coming from Tor. Being an engineer he would know that using his real name and taking a chance of getting found would drastically lower his options for remaining anonymous or not.

Rather if he wanted to leave his options open with the most certainty that he would remain in control, he would use a pseudonym then later he could reveal who he was or not.

We know from the logic I explained upthread that he was trying to be anonymous. So to argue that he was lax or not focused on being anonymous is illogical. He was obviously making a concerted and strict effort to be anonymous.

What reason would he have had to feign being so concerned with his anonymity, yet so careless to give it up by giving his real name?

As everyone plainly knows we live in a 4 dimensional universe where people's emotional state at the last point in their life reverberates backwards through time to every other point. Since soon after the paper (its not at all possibly that his desire for privacy was an outgrowth of attention received); Satoshi wanted to remain anonymous his desires would have clearly undone the mistake of using his real name to begin with (clearly this could not have been his real name).

Thank god for the retrograde movement of desires which create a standardized emotional space envelope; It keeps us all from saying "derp i shouldn't have done that" because its not like after using your real name once you can say don't call me that any more without being even more suspicious.

I'm not saying that he is who Newsweek claims he is, i'm saying we live in a world where not all actions are rational or consistent with people's long term goals. Just because a smart person mad an irrational error does not make the error impossible; remember this is something that cant be undone after the first instance.