Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 28, 2020, 05:15:09 AM

Stop gaslighting. Roll Eyes

That only applies to custodial services for LN. A user has a choice to run his own Lightning node, so it's not a direct comparison to gold and bank vaults. Plus you always have uncensorable Bitcoin onchain transactions available.

stop abusing the buzzword gaslighting until you learn the meaning
if your doubting your sanity. that on you.
but facts and numbers and quotes from devs showing they dont want people to use bitcoin as money exist.

but anyway if we forget the bitcoin as money element ans say bitcoin as reserve asset(gold)
did you know when gold left the money standard in the 1970's they too said 'people can choose to run their own gold vault plus you always have uncensored gold trades available'

but look how 'mainstream' gold is not. its no longer something every day people use everyday for barter
its not something people think about using daily.
yea it exists in financial industry amungst the big boys. but be honest when was the last time you used gold for daily use barter

plus to be a viable 'vault' in LN. requires you to have enough 'value' locked up to be collateral for tokens in each channel and have multiple channels to be able to be a service. otherwise you just end up having no path/route available or not enough funds to offer out as a route/path for others. and end up only becoming attached to the large services. to reduce your collateral outlay/risk of loss.

maybe try to run real life scenarios/feasibility studies/test runs. and see how realistic the 'freedoms' are that have been promoted to you.
yep run some scenarios and dont just avoid it by saying doing so is some psychological experiment to make you feel insane(gaslight). that rebuttal does not work.