Quote from: DdmrDdmr on December 20, 2020, 01:44:41 PM

Sea como fuera, y a falta de ver si se llega a revisar la norma (que por ahora va camino de no ser), no estaría mal que la norma requiriese que:

- Se citase expresamente y al principio del mismo, el uso de dichas herramientas en la elaboración de un texto.
- Se tuviese que indicar un % aproximado del post, resultante del uso de dichas herramientas, tambien indicado de manera visible al principio del mismo.

Esto último, claro, en caso de permitirse.

La norma no va a cambiar, se mire por donde se mire; y tuvimos desgraciadamente respuesta a esto hace unas semanas. Se puede empezar a leer desde 3/4 posts por encima del que pego aquí, pero en resumen... no se quiere poner normas a absolutamente todo, y depende completamente de los moderadores locales aceptar las traducciones. Si bien las normas no contemplan la intencionalidad, los moderadores si lo hacen, aunque esto sea terriblemente subjetivo en cada caso (a mejor o a peor). Asique... mientras haya un link original, no se va a considerar plagio, y si es una cosa 100%GT, dependerá de:
-Que alguien se de cuenta y lo reporte
-Que el moderador gestionandolo concuerde y lo tome como spam -->directo a la papelera

Quote from: mprep on December 10, 2020, 12:38:34 PM

Quote from: nullius on December 10, 2020, 05:23:22 AM

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Whereupon I request a review of Rule 33: Either the word “plagiarism” should be removed, or it needs to be clarified that simply tossing in a link somewhere does not suffice to avoid plagiarism; and some distinction should be made between plagiarism, and no-value unattributed copying.

I do not want to suggest any rigid format for citations and attributions of authorship in all cases. I don’t think that such a thing should be made a rule, as such. However, to show how one should act in the spirit of the rules, I have created a new topic with a copied-pasted OP, as my example of optimal attribution of authorship in some types of circumstances.

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As with automated translations, in the end the rules are enforced by moderators. Me trying to zero in on what is and isn't plagiarism more than I already have would only reflect my own approach towards the enforcement of said rule. As theymos mentioned numerous times, there are reasons as to why there are no "official, hard rules (aside from the few legally-required ones)" - it's up to individual moderators to decide whethe acting on amperceived violation of forum policy is the "right" thing to do. As such, I don't think there's a need to expand or adjust rule 33, at least not at this point in time.