Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on Today at 06:11:52 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on January 07, 2021, 03:50:16 PM

I think Trump lost a lot of his supporters by the way he acted since the election, especially in the rally on the 6th. Trump failed to condemn the rioting, and he should have done that. I think Trump was trying to delegitimize Biden's presidency, similar to how his presidency was delegitimized, and he ended up going too far.

Biden appears to be appointing a lot of extremists to his cabinet, and a lot of extremist proposals are being pushed by the left. This is counter to the centrist that Biden presented himself as during the election. I would expect voters to reject this in 2022, and in the 2024 presidential election.

Quote from: theymos on January 07, 2021, 09:06:19 PM

After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown.

This is very well possible, and unfortunate. He has been making bizarre claims privately (such as in the leaked call to the GA secretary of state) that are unsupported by fact.

Quote from: theymos on January 07, 2021, 09:06:19 PM

There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power.

Pelosi recently had a call with the military leaders, asking them to not follow Trump's orders if he were to launch military action, or order a nuclear bomb launched. It is unclear as to what their response was, or how the military would actually respond to Trump's orders.

Quote from: theymos on January 07, 2021, 09:06:19 PM

These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen.

The WSJ editial board called for Trump to resign, and I agree this would be best for our country.

Since Congress and SCOTUS refused to hear the accusations of election fraud that Trump wanted to present evidence of, what is Trump supposed to do? Was he simply lying about the election fraud? He is being censored on various standard media platforms (twitter, facebook, others). Such a thing has never been done before to a president. In the past, everybody wanted to hear what a president had to say, good or bad.

The point of a lost election isn't a problem if Trump is mistaken, and he really lost the election. To me it looks like an attempt to hide the truth that Trump is trying to project, that he won, and few people in media want to show it. Why not let the info out into the open, since appearances by the crowds of supporters seem to show that there are loads of Trump fans, way beyond the few that Biden could muster?

If Trump lost supporters, it's because they don't understand that the media is projecting a biased and wrong view of things that really went on.

If Trump is making claims that seem so bizarre that they couldn't be supported by fact, where is he supposed to show the fact of his claims if they absolutely ARE supported by fact? SCOTUS seems to have cut him off. Congress won't take him seriously even though Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani have spoken about loads of things that were fraudulent in the election. Powell and Giuliani don't talk like this if they don't have evidence or proof. But Trump's idea was to show the proof through Congressional hearings, which Congress wouldn't allow. Now, the media is cutting Trump off so that he can't even show the proof to the people directly.

It looks like the people love Trump, but the Congress and SCOTUS simply don't. SCOTUS has an excuse... can't hear, because of the kind of law they are, and the kind of law Election Law is. It's the kind where there have to be literal live people claiming personal harm or damage, against somebody who personally oversaw the election, or did the counting of the votes. But Congress is different. Congress isn't hearing because they don't like Trump's policies... because Trump might be causing them to lose money through his actions, even though his actions benefit the people of the USA, and the people know it.

Pelosi asking the military to watch out for Trump like he is crazy or something, is part of the show that she HAS to put on. If she doesn't get Trump out of the way, she and loads of others will go down under the avalanche of evidence Trump has regarding the thing they are doing against the country. She has to try everything that she can. If she fails, she is going down big time... along with many others who are using their position in government for making money, with a who-cares-if-it-hurts-American-people attitude.

Portions of the military are divided over Trump. Some love him, and some hate him. Others are simply following orders.

If Trump truly has proof of big-time election fraud, and if he doesn't act directly in some way within the next ten days, what will anybody do if he doesn't leave office on the 20th? Right now he is showing his proof to military leaders in detail, so that they can see that he won the election, and that there should at least be a formal Congressional investigation in detail... an investigation that is broadcast live to the whole country.

We don't see this happening, because Trump has been cut off from the various media platforms. Why do they cut him off? Because if his proof comes out into the open, many media leaders will be taken down because of their role in the election fraud. It's a good thing that they can't cut him off from showing proof to the military. Pelosi's contacting the military about Trump will act against her when the military see's Trump's proof.

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