Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on March 10, 2014, 12:10:25 PM

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 10, 2014, 11:56:14 AM

Quote from: octaft on March 10, 2014, 11:40:19 AM

Quote from: ErisDiscordia on March 10, 2014, 11:16:24 AM

to which I say: WHERE THE HELL IS MY CHOICE TO LIVE WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT?

I am very curious what no government means to you, and why you'd want to live in a place without one. I mean, it's one thing to want less government intrusion, but are we talking less/no taxes, or are we talking no police department, no public schooling, no fire department. Where do you draw the line?

What is so difficult to imagine? People would shop for security, fire protection services and schools the same way they shop for anything else. The needy would be provided for by voluntary charity. We draw the line at the the initiation of force. Initiating or threatening violence is not what holds communities and society together.

If you haven't already I highly recommend reading the books by Ken MacLeod.

However the idealistic the dream the reality would probably put us back to the victorian age where the needy ended up in work houses and had to work for food but they didn't get anything else. Just somewhere to sleep and food with no chance to improve their lot.

I've read Dickens, thank you. Victorian work houses were Victorian, as in under the monarch Queen Victoria. Adjusting for changes in technology, I hardly see modern public housing as an improvement. When people have to get their limbs sawed off one by one because they can't get off their fat asses long enough to prevent diabetes, those limbs are just as gone as they would be if they were caught in the machinery.