Quote from: TwitchySeal on February 02, 2021, 04:11:15 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on February 02, 2021, 05:44:32 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on January 28, 2021, 07:25:09 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 28, 2021, 06:13:42 AM

IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

Giving Rudy a pass bc of the Steele Dossier is pretty weak.

The reason you think the Steele dossier was a joke is the same reason those people stormed the capital and millions of people believe the Trump actually got more votes than Biden. Trump repeated it over and over and over, and so Republican lawmakers and the media repeated it over and over and over. and so you repeated it over and over and over.

In reality, there's far more disinformation about the Steele Dossier than in it. A lot of it has been confirmed, including the most important point - that the Russians were planning to influence the US election by helping Trump win. Most of what hasn't has confirmed has been determined likely true.

The Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation. The Russians fed disinformation about both Clinton and Trump, hoping that the losing party would claim "election interference" by the Russians. The Russians had little to gain from a Trump Presidency, but they had a lot to gain from trying to make the election illegitimate.

I would agree that Trumps behavior surrounding the 2020 election was similar to Russias for the 2016 election. But the SD was not a big factor in the grand scheme of things, a lot of it has been confirmed true, and very little of it discredited.

America shouldn't tolerate Russia or Trumps behavior.

You play with Trump, but the vast majority of Americans are being stolen from by Biden through His and Congresses support of the Ukraine... which isn't something that Trump had anything to do with.

Cool