Quote from: octaft on March 11, 2014, 01:26:25 AM

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 11, 2014, 01:22:09 AM

Quote from: octaft on March 11, 2014, 01:13:58 AM

Quote from: Richy_T on March 11, 2014, 01:13:15 AM

Quote from: octaft on March 11, 2014, 01:10:57 AM

What is involuntary about it? It says "let's say you COULD," not "what if the rules changed." It's a voluntary option to get out of paying taxes, and I think it does a pretty good job of simulating what it would be like if we relied on voluntary contributions. The thing is, you all say that support will come from voluntary contributions, but when it comes time to actually, you know, contribute, all of you will be passing the buck. It's because it's not about the ideal, it's about the money, so stop bullshitting and acting like it's not. If the government charged no taxes, I assume a lot of you would care much less about getting rid of it.

Doublespeak at its finest. You have to pay taxes or an alternative that we're not going to call taxes? You should be a politician.

Please avoid the point that you will not be donating to charities voluntarily (and will be instead passing the buck) some more.

That's what your worried about? Free riders? You don't think we have free riders now? When were there ever not free riders?

Free riders currently are free riders because they can't afford to pay. In your world, free riders will be free riders because they don't want to help.

You still haven't answered the question: Will you, or will you not be donating to charities voluntarily in your world? I'm assuming the answer is no, and you will be passing the buck, mainly because if it wasn't, you likely would have rammed that fact so far up my ass I'd be tasting your thoughts by now.

oh really? So corporate welfare is not free riding or do you think they can't afford to pay either? Billionaire I.P. monopolists like software companies, movie studios and music moguls who use my tax money to enforce their copyright, trademark and patent claims aren't also free riders?

so I'm either ramming my charitable deeds up your ass or I'm uncharitable. I can't win with you, can I? The truth is you need to think I'm a contemptible person because that justifies stealing from me. This is the kind of dynamic that Statism engenders. It's a counter-civilization force. This is not civil discourse.