Quote from: Richy_T on March 11, 2014, 02:12:28 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 11, 2014, 04:00:57 AM

I was merely attempting to refer to Octaft's hypothetical in which he seemed to be attempting to describe a preset amount (such as 30%). Something like this could be either compelled or voluntary... I was merely playing along with the hypothetical... but I admit that I may have lost the point about whether such a hypothetical was going to compel such contributions or leave them up to individuals.

There is no such thing as compelled charity. If it is compelled, it is not charity.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 11, 2014, 04:00:57 AM

Surely, we must all realize by NOW that certain individuals, including Billyjoeallen (based on his earlier comments), is NOT going to contribute if voluntary ... unless such a charity meets all his likely impossible to accomplish and vague parameters..

I realize no such thing. I see nothing that he has said that has any relation to his willingness to pay voluntarily to charities. That is all in your imagination. I expect that he deliberately avoided making any such mention specifically to hook you with you biases and prejudices.

By the way, would you mind stating your definition of the word "theft"? I would love to hear what that is.

Again, you seem to be engaging in some kind of lame attempt to distract, and to cause me to perform work on your terms. Maybe you have control issues, or a failure/refusal to engage in a meaningful dialogue?

Likely, we should all realize by now, that our definitions of theft are likely NOT materially different from one another. We have been engaging in discussions of government and whether a government is necessary to carry out varying functions. These varying functions are NOT theft, merely b/c some people feel that they do NOT want to contribute... or they want to set their own terms. It is NOT really clear how either you or Billyjoeallen want to contribute. To me it appears that anything short of complete voluntary will cause people like you to opt out of paying.. but surely you will be wanting to get some of the benefits... such as clean air or such as material goods like fancy cars or speedy tubes. IN FACT, probably the need for prison and fines and tax penalties are exactly made for people like you and billyjoeallen b/c if you are NOT coerced into paying taxes, you will NOT contribute. YOU have to be forced.