Quote from: davidpbrown on March 11, 2014, 06:22:53 PM

Quote from: hypostatization on March 11, 2014, 04:56:57 PM

I see value in community members informing the broader Bitcoin community of organized attempts to mislead it, whether it be the history of Ripple detractors or MtGox.

I am not defending the communication quality of Ripple Labs.

but you are trying to defend Ripple and partial in presenting that. There's value in a balanced; rounded; and not partial, presentation of problems.

It helps your case when you remove my quote from context. I went on to say that the community, and not Ripple Labs, is driving most of the communication---as well as stating that Ripple Labs has lagged in effective communication. Ripple Labs can definitely be doing a better job; I am also optimistic that they are heading in that direction.

I have also been transparent about issues with the Validator network today, at multiple points, as well as WCG not being cost effective for most people.

Quote from: davidpbrown on March 11, 2014, 06:22:53 PM

Quote from: hypostatization on March 11, 2014, 04:56:57 PM

I agree, in general, about the weak launch. Again, I consider market liquidity, services, and developer adoption more significant than XRP value. Basically, Ripple Labs emerged from stealth mode too early---and exposed Ripple to an attack campaign that they were not ready to handle. Ripple Labs is starting to gear up to improve communication, but it will take time.

Again, you're trying to make excuses.

I am not sure what excuse you think I am making? I am even stating general agreement. Ripple Labs did not effectively respond to the attack campaign. It was a clear misstep, in retrospect. I am also stating the launch was weak. In saying that they are starting to gear up to improve communication, I am also acknowledging that they are not where they need to be today.

Quote from: davidpbrown on March 11, 2014, 06:22:53 PM

My impression is that whatever Ripple might be, is not related to cryptocurrency as currency. Significantly then, it seem that XRP are not meant to ever be valuable in and of themselves. If all Ripple'n'Co. did was make that clear, it would avoid the naive user spending money on those XRP. Leaving people open to make mistakes whether by neglect or deliberate ambiguity, is essentially exploitation and should not be encouraged.

If XRP are meant to hold value, then what we know of the spread of them looks very suspect; if XRP are not meant to hold any value and they are to be given away to oil the machines of whoever wants to host a server, then that has not been made clear. Either way, Ripple support sucks at communicating what is intended, relative to other Bitcoin2.0 protocols who are doing that better and more openly. Consequently, all I've seen of Ripple, is pushing people away - people who should be the most enthusiast of all.

You will have a better understanding of Ripple, Ripple Labs, and XRP after watching this interview with Ripple Labs CEO Chris Larsen. Ripple Labs is direct about the technology and future plans.