Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

This discussion already happened 100's of times. Do people have to debunk this again?

Oh well I'll just do that myself and save everyone the trouble.

Unnecessary beginning.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 05:46:26 PM

Bitcoin mixers and coin mixers in general are only designed for criminals and are only used for criminals.

Wrong.

Have you ever thought that they can be used to hide money from criminals? If you win a large amount of BTC and want to move it somewhere where people won't harass and extort you for it then you'd use a mixer.

How do you want to know if I won a large sum of bitcoin? Looks like you don't understand bitcoin at all.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 05:46:26 PM

It's very sad that this forum allows ads from coin mixers. People representing them in their signatures are also supporting criminals.

No, they are supporting the groups they want to support and they each have their reasons for them.

Each person will give you a different answer to this question and it's wrong to generalize that everyone using or advertising a mixer somehow whether through a site, ad or just an informal vouch is supporting criminals because if you take the time to ask each of them one by one you will eventually find out that people don't actually support criminals at all. If you ask me for example it's because I support people's right to hide their own money - which others don't have the right to see in the first place.

These ads are run for profit. Otherwise this forum is so poor that it has to accept money from criminals.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 05:46:26 PM

This coin mixers are used to hide transactions made from deals like drugs and child pornography or any other crimes. And nothing else.

You definitely know the underlined part is false but maybe you won't admit it? Huh

Its not false. Otherwise I would say something else. Reading is hard.... Wink

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 05:46:26 PM

All the instructions which can be found online are literally telling you how to avoid being trace and hide your money.

This is basically saying that everybody is entitled to see where everybody else's money is and where they send it too. By contrast I don't think you would agree to let random people know where or what you spend your cash on, after all it's none of their business Wink

Very bad and blank statement. Why should people care about my transactions. If your parents are hiring chain analysis then I'm sorry for your childhood. And bitcoin is designed to be transparent, read the goddamn whitepaper.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 05:46:26 PM

All those coin mixers are illegal only alone by the fact that they are not even a company or anything. There's no single legal address. They have no financial license. And even all the scam brokers have one.

Sorry but "legal" is a subjective word that means different things to people/countries/entities. What is legal in one country may not be legal in another and also may not feel legal to you either. But each has their own definition of what is legal and you can't change that.

"...are illegal only alone by the fact that they are not even a company or anything" is utter bollocks because you don't have to have a legal document and registered company to offer services in bitcoin or even cash.

By the way, you may want to retract that underlined part because the scam brokers use fake "The Company's House" addresses in the UK, it takes like 5 minutes to cross check and verify that they don't actually exist.

Every country in this world requires legal specification on a website. Except private forums etc. But business related its required.

And you need legal documents to run financial institution. I don't want to know where your from...

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 05:46:26 PM

And don't come with things like "Its also a use case for some poor guy in Iran who has to hide". That's bullshit. And you know its a lie.

I'm glad you know that too because literally no one in Iran who earns bitcoin honestly has to mix it to hide it from governments, the very fact it's in a bitcoin address provides enough obfuscation Wink

So you just lie to your own arguments. Your saying people want to hide it because they don't want to know everyone that they own that much etc. But at the same time your saying bitcoin address is enough obfuscation. So for other people its not but for iranian it is?
Looks like you never learned or saw how to argument.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 06:26:53 PM

Sorry but that are all very blank statements. First of all Bitcoin is a digital currency and not a product designed for criminals. Besides that it is very dumb for criminals to use bitcoins but that's an huge other topic. I only say that over 400 darknet markets went down due to bitcoin and a cyber criminal got arrested for ordering pizza with his bitcoin wallet. Doing crime on bitcoins is a big advantage for law enforcement. You can do more way way crimes on fiat (digital).

And we can blame the mixers. Its only used by and only designed for criminals. That's their whole business module. People running mixers got all arrested in the past, now sentencing over 10 years in federal prison.

I cant say: "Im running an marketplace called DRUGMARKET but police and nobody can't blame me for people selling illicit goods" or "Does to fault of child porn sites really goes to the creator?"

Dude, are you aware that most of darknet markets use only Monero?

Why not fume about that instead?

I just quoted in a post that I make an additional post about XMR. Already nervos Wink

Besides that the post is about mixers. And not about xmr, the church or war.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 06:26:53 PM

Operating a bitcoin mixer is running an criminal enterprise. Like a drug ring or something else.

Judges also not blaming the axe manufacture in a court case when a murder with an axe happened. They charge the murderer.

Your second sentence completely contradicts the first, by this logic a judge will charge the criminal who used he mixer not the mixer operators.

Think again, then post. Dude....

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 06:32:39 PM

Sorry you are so right.....

We should support child porn. Sexual freedom! Everyone else is a anti-sexual-fredoom-for-everyone-including-pedos-blablabla

We should support drug traffickers like MS13 who kill over 50k people a year. Everyone else is RACIST, ANTI-HUMAN-BECAUSE-EVERYONE-IS-THE-SAME-LETSGO-DIRTY-HEROIN-DESTROYS-LIFE. Because people also order MS13 to cut their weed!!

We also should support darknet market were identity theft and other crimes happens. BECAUSE THERE ALSO PEOPLE BUYING THEIR GROCERIES THERE!! Everyone else is ANTI-I-BUY-DRUGS-ON-THE-DARKNET

I think you are the only person in this entire thread who thinks that Roll Eyes

In the style of your answer and posting, I'm assuming your maybe 15-16 years old. You made an very unfunny and dumb comment without going into my arguments with which I literally refute all the argument of this guy.

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 06:36:25 PM

Cyber criminals still use bitcoin, because its still the most used currency in the darknet (for whatever reason) and the most easy to use coin for ransomware (most known and easiest to get for ransomware victims). New ones started using XMR and its getting started more popular in the underworld. XMR would be worth an additional post Wink

Yeah, only thiefs whose intention is to steal bitcoin will use bitcoin, have you ever thought of that and how it's completely misaligned with your criticism of mixers? One would think you'd be criticizing the thieves, gangsters, rapists who use bitcoin but instead of challenging the enabler, you've succumbed to attacking a defenseless industry?

I just said to the guy how to the current state of bitcoin related in the underground world is. I don't get your whole comment not at all. Learn thinking.

Quote from: ?QuestionMark? on Today at 05:46:26 PM

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~potty rant about "supporting"

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 06:42:25 PM

I want to feel bad for people crusading against bitcoin mixers because even if they all disappear their effort is wasted; most of the entire darknet has moved to XMR, but I don't. Maybe it's because I just don't care about them anymore. But one thing's for sure I was definitely not paid to debunk this.
You're welcome. Cool

Thats like saying you should fight murders because they will exists always anyway. Baddest comment ever heard.

And its not smart to out yourself as an darknet criminal.