Quote from: Cnut237 on March 06, 2021, 12:30:33 PM

Quote from: Poker Player on March 06, 2021, 04:27:11 AM

counting as dead by COVID people as cancer patients who exceed life expectancy, although they did not show any symptoms, if they were tested for COVID and were positive.

This is the same argument from a few days ago. My response is the same: if you don't trust reason for death, then just look at total deaths from any reason...

Quote from: Cnut237 on March 01, 2021, 09:25:09 PM

Something has been killing huge numbers of people over the last year, way more than normal... and this just happens to coincide with the Covid pandemic. There hasn't been a flu-or-anything-else pandemic.

Look, for example, at the UK in April 2020, peak of the first wave of Covid... deaths more than 100% above the 2015-2019 average. The pattern is stark, the evidence conclusive.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Your response (below) didn't address the question. I'm saying, okay, if you don't think that people are dying of Covid, if you think the mortality is no different to flu, then what is the reason for so many more people dying than normal, and why do the excess deaths coincide with waves of Covid infections? Look at the data.

As I commented in another post, lies, bigger lies and statistics.

First, I don't know if you have not understood that I do not deny that COVID exists. Some people do, I don't. The occurrence of the large peak in April may be due to many causes, including collapse of the hospital system. That there is a 100% mortality peak in April tells me nothing if the overall excess mortality is around 5%. As I say, it may be due to different factors, among other things that at that time COVID was something new. If you add another disease to the mortality rate we already had, even if statistically it has a low mortality, the overall mortality rate will normally increase. This is fully compatible with COVID cases being inflated, as has been done, by counting completely asymptomatic people as COVID or also counting common flu cases as COVID.