Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 11:53:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on Today at 11:16:13 AM

I cannot agree with what suchmoon stated though you agreed with him about "Don't neg-trust trolls so that people don't need to try to clean up your mess."

Trolling is against the forum rules. Report it, and let Mods deal with it.

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What suchmoon is saying (and you agreed to that view) is that in your opinions it is acceptable for users to leave positive counter-feedback for those receiving inappropriate negative trust.

If it wasn't clear yet: I encourage the use of neutral feedback for this

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Using positive counter-feedbacks is a completely inappropriate use of the trust system and from my perspective it has no justification at all because if anything a neutral rating can suffice.

Agreed

Thank you Loyce. Using neutral feedback is hugely underused in the forum, I think the forum dynamics would probably change for the better if it was used more.

It seems like a sizeable number of members in the forum are operating as they want by picking which parts of the trust system and other forum rules to implement and accept. Then some of those members do not accept it when other members implement their own interpretation of the very same rules. Having broad consensus between members (or at least those are DT) would have given a direction to follow since the trust system is not being implement correctly by too many members.

As the list in the section below shows, if we all start adding or including or excluding each other based on our opinions of the trust system then we can all basically do what we want. Having consensus would avert most issues.

Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 12:04:31 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on Today at 11:16:13 AM

What I would like to see is what reasons will be provided by members that have already done or have contemplated adding users to their distrust list on the basis of making improper use of the trust system by leaving negative trust and quoting that reason yet they have not taken the same actions against members that leave positive counter-feedbacks. I will add this to the OP as well.

Last attempt to spell it out for you but I don't think you're looking for an actual answer but rather to justify your actions and/or smear your opponent.

Order of preference for actions to deal with improper use of negative trust (e.g. for trolling or opinions):

Users leaving such trust ratings should not do it.
Other users should no longer include them (not vote them into DT1 and not make them DT2).
Other DT1 members should exclude them (remove them from DT1/DT2).
Other DT members may counter with neutral or positive ratings where appropriate.

It is your responsibility to fix it, not everyone else's responsibility to fix your mess or penalize other users for trying to fix your mess. When I see the first three actions taken with any sort of consistency and responsibility I may consider no longer supporting counter feedbacks. Until then it's fair game, albeit neutrals would probably work better in some cases.

Firstly what I surmised from your post is the presumption that I am trying to justify my own action and/or to smear an opponent that you did not name. You are wrong on both counts. After that, thank you for the list. I tend to agree with some aspects of it but not entirely. There are some other possibilities which though I might not agree with (or will not put forward) are options and possibilities nonetheless:

Users leaving inappropriate trust ratings should not do it.
Other users should no longer include them (not vote them into DT1 and not make them DT2).
Other DT1 members should exclude them (remove them from DT1/DT2).
Other DT members may counter with neutral or positive ratings where appropriate.
DT1 members that disagree with the positive counter-feedback might no longer include members leaving (not vote them into DT1 and not make them DT2).
DT1 members could exclude members leaving positive counter-feedback (remove them from DT1/DT2).
DT members may counter with neutral or red ratings of their own to counter the positive-feedback where appropriate.

Having 3 votes in the poll has been somewhat disappointing...