Quote from: 20kevin20 on Today at 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: vapourminer on Today at 10:47:11 AM

people can do what they want but im with the science on this one. ive got comorbidities so ill let the deniers take the chance of long term organ system damage from catching covid.

I see it as a double-edged sword, but one of them is a choice while the other is just a possibility.

I am still waiting until the vaccine is studied more. I think it's fair to say that some of us are here, on BTCTalk, specifically because they don't like having to trust. I'm one of those guys.

At this point, I have a few friends who've received either their first dose or both. While some of them have had a few days of fever and other mild side effects, one thing I know for sure is that they all did need at least a few days free from their work due to how bad the side effects were. I have a few of them who've had quite bad ones though - they were never against the virus/vaccine, yet they said very loud and clear that "they thought they wouldn't be able to go through the side effects and it was just the first dose, so I shouldn't be surprised if they won't be able to go through the second anymore".

On the other hand, one of them was infected with the virus after taking the shot.

Something I don't know is what the longer term side effects are. Right now, we're comparing the chances of having bad adverse effects + the possibility of still being infected with the virus vs not taking the vaccine, which still has the possibility of being infected. But the difference is that the vaccine is a choice, and you're choosing to possibly have adverse effects through a substance that possibly protects you from the virus. Makes sense?

As you said, the virus is mutant. It means that even if I take it and everyone else in .. say Europe does, there will still be someone in India who might get another variant and it's going to still spread across the globe. The fear that, once vaxxed, you are going to receive a new variant from someone non-vaxxed does not make much sense in my opinion specifically due to the fact that this is quite uncontrollable and invisible.

At this point, the only thing I really wish is that the vaccine does not become mandatory because while you fear the long-term virus effects, I fear the long-term effects the vaccine plus the virus might have on my body. I don't trust those corps making vaccines, at least some of them. Especially J&J, which is known for their quite ugly lawsuit.

Right now, it's a complicated scenario where everything is pretty uncertain. We don't know what kind of other variants of the virus will appear, we don't know what the long-term effects are post-infection but we don't know those of the vaccine either.. it's all just an uncertainty and I think the worst thing I can do right now is take rushed choices..

Your choice!

The fact you are here writing this, is due to you likely having received the following vaccines in childhood.
Diptheria
Hepatitus B
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping cough
Meningitus B
Pneumonia
Roravirus
Meningitis
Mumps
Measles

Before vaccines 1 in 4 children died before their 5th birthday and only 1 in 2 children made it to puberty. I'm pretty old and as a child one un vaccinated kid in my class had a crippled leg from polio and another had her eyesight wrecked from measles.

If I don't vaccinate lambs on the farm, without fail they will start dying at around 8 weeks old, its always the biggest strongest lambs that go first. No idea why this is.

Most people take some big risks in during their life but vaccination is not one of them.

Go on get protected against Covid-19 it doesn't even hurt a little bit in case your are scared of needles.

In other news 60k hoo fucking ray, feels like I'm walking on air.