Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

If you are bringing up positive facts/logic and failing and refusing to denigrate altcoins (aka shitcoins) at every other sentence, then you are putting a spin on shitcoins that they do not deserve, even if you believe that you are being neutral .. whatever that means..

Ok, fair enough. Eth sucks.

There you go.. that's the spirit.. and a good start, even though I get the sense that you do not really mean it, but saying it frequently is going to help to get you there... little by little...

It is likely that you need quite a bit of work because there is some shitcoin brain washenings that seem to be stuck in your head.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

And I did not invest in it or buy any more than token (less than 1%) amounts.

I hope that you are not lying just to "fit in." I had recently admitted when I bought my first 1.2486 BTC, I sent 1 BTC to a then existing exchange and bought something like 7 shitcoins for .84BTC That would be .12BTC for each of the 7 shitcoins.

Some other members here admit to much worse transgressions, and their stories become quite a bit more convincing because they explain how their experiences convinced them to get out of their shitcoin habits and their thinkings about shitcoins.. just say no... blah blah blah.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

I don't know how plain numbers stated as facts imply something is positive or negative unless positive means up, and negative means down or below zero.

In other words, you are fighting the matter, and you are unable to really truly refrain from talking about shitcoins except if negative, and you should be able to determine if something is negative if you practice enough.

You had already admitted that you were attempting to be "neutral" and "neutral" is not acceptable here.. neither neutral nor positive are acceptable here.. ONLY negative. Just practice. Maybe go to the mere every day and figure out a few negative things to say about shitcoins, and then once get used to practicing, then it will be easier here.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

The fact that anyone could have gotten 2k ETH for 1 BTC remains as ... I don't know how else to say it, but it is what it is.

Yeah, but it is NOT on topic. You can go state those lovey dovey facts in other threads, or if you are just incidentally mentioning such facts, probably no one will notice, but if you are trying to emphasize such facts in order to establish that if you had bought ETH at its initial offering in 2014 (or whenever that was), you would have outperformed BTC to date.. and you are trying to suggest something good about ethereum by selecting a specific scenario.. which is not acceptable here because it is NOT on topic. No one is suggesting that you lie about anything.. that's for sure. You can be negative about ETH without lying, and if feel some irresistible urge that you want to bring positive facts into this thread.. bite your tongue and take that nonsense somewhere else, even if your spin (pick of dates or whatever) happen to be true.. blah blah blah.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Remember again, I did not get any back then. I'm not getting any more now.

Good.. so there should be no reason to bring it up. If any of us wants to look up such fact we can, but its not on topic here.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

I did not get any in between except as mentioned earlier token amounts (and by token, I mean it in the sense that it's small enough to ignore, maybe you could say cup of coffee amounts?)

Now you are going into nitty gritty irrelevance regarding your supposed innocent motivations in bringing it up. We (not even sure if royal or no) do not want to talk about ETH here.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

And if that cup of coffee thinking is what got me into trouble in the first place, I may know what is being implied as I have heard it called the "Latte Factor", and I honestly don't think that was my problem.

Without getting into details, I made mistakes unrelated to BTC or shitcoins.

Yes, many of us have, and I already said my part on this point.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

I got paid in BTC and in shitcoins for doing what I did on these forums as escrow, like someone buying hardware or miners or holding funds. I never bought any of those with my own money. You could say it was earned, and maybe the equivalent of buying them with my time.

Once they are in your grubby little hands, you have a choice about whether to keep them in the form received or to convert them..

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Maybe, maybe, maybe I could have spent more of my time just accumulating corn then? Maybe.

That's my understanding of at least part of the situation but there was a budgeting issue too. .in terms of pulling the fuck you lever way before you made sure that you had a sufficient income and also accounted for BTC volatility (or whatever shitcoins you were invested in).

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

If that is what you are getting at, then yes, maybe that contributed to my issues.

You do not have to talk about it. Lot's of us make mistakes, and sometimes you are young enough to recover without having to engage in desperate measures, and sometimes people continue to make the same kinds of mistakes, and I am suggesting that you might be doing that by being too sympathetic to shitcoins, but my information would not be as good as yours in that direction .. and sometimes some people might need someone to tell them that they are making the same mistakes if they seem to NOT recognize it, if that is the case with you, I cannot be sure.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

I have some shitcoins, and I probably have had some shitcoins since the beginning of my Bitcoin journey in late 2013.

If those shitcoins were "airdropped" to you by forking, I don't consider it something you acquired even if you knew there was going to be a fork and bought some BTC in anticipation of getting the forked shitcoins after.

Once I split them and had control over them, then I had options regarding what to do and how to keep such coins. I was actually hoping BGold was going to get up to .05BTC.. but I recall it had ONLY gotten up to .035BTC or something like that, and when the BGold price continued to drop, I just put them in a kind of forget about it status... and I did not reconsider selling them... and recently they got up to about .002BTC, and i am not sure if that is enough for me to even bother.. but I suppose it does start to add up.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

So, you believe that there is some value to "diversify" into shitcoins beyond token amounts?

No I do not. I'm an admitted BTC maxi, but watch the shitcoins because they do interesting stuff, without further investing into them whatever I have gotten out of them through my other dealings on this forum and other places.

Oh? It sounded to me that you were criticizing me for not being diversified enough into other projects... or kind of a vague criticism, but still.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

Maybe my memory is failing me because I thought that you admitted to getting reckt pretty badly from shitcoins, and then I recall that you had some ongoing dabbling into shitcoins even after saying that you had gotten reckt.... In any event, I don't feel like looking it up, if it is look upable.

I may have implied something to that effect or I may have attributed my getting reckt to shitcoins, but now I am more aware it is through other issues beyond intentionally dabbling into shitcoins. From 2012 to 2019 I was unemployed and living on BTC and whatever shitcoins I would receive, frequently cashing them out to pay for food. My biggest mistake was believing I could continue doing that and remain unemployed.

Ok... that is refreshing my memory a bit... and yeah it does seem to be a bit of a mistake to live off of your bitcoins in such a situation.. and that could be one of those situations in which mistakes were made and they should be attempted to be learned from, even though they do have a pretty decent cost associated with such mistakes.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

I finally got a job and realized it's a good idea to having some sort of stable fiat income for the time being as I rebuild my stash of BTC as well as doing all other things normal fiat people do in preparation for a better future.

I would think that any of us should want to ensure that our BTC stash is large enough, and sometimes ensuring some fiat cashflow would be quite helpful.. and also, I frequently recommend that people get their various debts in order before engaging in considerably volatile assets such as bitcoin, but there are ways to attempt doing both at the same time, too.. but it can be quite expensive if someone has debt that is costing them near 20% a year, and that usually should be taken care of first and maybe figure out ways to get debt to be more manageable (if possible) such as 4% to 8% might be more reasonable.. but some people ONLY have high interest options, but sometimes such people can build up their credit to be able to get lower interest options in the future.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

I learned about traditional markets too. It's odd because I got into bitcoin with no background and now it seems I know more about traditional investments than plenty of nocoiners after reading plenty of stuff about them. I learned more about keynesian and austrian economics than I ever did in all my years in school. I learned about sound money. I learned that BTC is .. well we mostly know what BTC is.

Many of us who have been in BTC for a while can make claims to having had learned quite a bit and in a variety of topics through our study of BTC... whether that is personal money management, macro economics matters, or having differing eyes on politics.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

And, there were some institutions dabbling in shitcoins, so they might have different agendas than me.

It would seem at this point that everyone knows what happened with GME. No need to say more eh... That's probably the agenda of these large institutions getting into shitcoins, or something along those lines.

I was referring to some institutions endorsing Ethereum through the years.. and I think that my main point is that sometimes smart people can do dumb things, and maybe they will be proven to be correct.. I doubt it but whatever, let's see how it plays out.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

I am not sure if Maxi is a proper label, but if you are wanting to use the term maxi in a denigrating way.

I use the term on myself as well. It is like using the word "geek" or "nerd" to describe who I am to other people. It's not negative to me and should not be negative to others. However, the origin of the word itself comes from a shitcoiner who wanted to denigrate us bitcoiners. To his credit, he contributed to Bitcoin Magazine a long time ago. My guess is he got emotional about his shitcoin ... we all know he isn't "normal".

There are gradations even within Maxi's so I am not really much for labels.. even though I suppose that some labels will fit better than others.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

I still think he's a genius.. Maybe a misguided one. Strongly opinionated. And if quantifying his current wealth from his creation, worth half a billion dollars, we can't really say anything other than, shitcoins are still shitcoins.

I am not much into idolizing various shitcoiners, whether it is vitalik or anyone else in the shitcoin space.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

Yes.. have fun staying poor with that kind of thinking.

I kept saying I have not put anything more into them shitcoins than what I got for my saliva or time. But agree, time is money, it should be in money not in shitcoins.

Well, I think also that sometimes thinking too much about shitcoins and reading about their nonsense is valuable too (meaning that it takes away value if you are spending too much of your brain power on figuring out what might be happening in shitcoinlandia.. even if you do not personally invest money.. and maybe that is what you are saying, too?)

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

the proof of work in bitcoin and the way that it is iterated is a BIG fucking deal including the almost perfect incentives that are provided in a variety of ways.

Everything about bitcoin is a big deal and the way all of them combine together. All the individual parts are big deals. And the combined total of all of them are greater than the sum of the parts. I was just mentioning that tidbit about hashcash.

Your tidbit about that part of hashcash did not come off as too positive about bitcoin.. but I already responded to that, anyhow.

Quote from: Dabs on Today at 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 15, 2021, 08:19:34 PM

I cannot disagree with you here. Sure it is one thing to make determinations for yourself, but the ability that you might be able to make general or specific recommendations to someone else, then that may depend upon how much time that you are able to spend with them in terms of explaining intricacies or any matter. Even recommending bitcoin can have quite a few complications, even if you might direct some location for someone to get started.. if that is Swanbitcoin or somewhere else.

My recommendations are general, but to certain specific people I get into detail telling them what exchange to use in their particular situation, and mostly to get only bitcoin. That's about it. Buy, HODL, DCA ... don't touch it for 10 years. Simple.

Sure. Some recommendations are more basic, and some are more involved, depending upon how interested such person is, and whether you have time to hold their hand through certain parts or if they are a self-starter. So there can be a lot of variations including how much time that you might want to spend with one person or another, and for example, I have some people that I spent considerable time already, and iI am not going to go out of my way to help them when I was already trying to be helpful earlier. So I may or may not help depending on the circumstances, and of course, I may go into some detail and point people in certain directions, but I ONLY have so much time to explain things if they do not seem willing to do some leg work on their own.