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Quote from: jzk120 on Today at 03:24:10 AM

Would really appreciate if you at least read

I read every single bit of it, twice, and I have no changed my mind, this will NOT work out as far as the economy is concerned.

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My whole point of writing the post was the fact that i personally know someone and i can maybe get my hands on at least some chips for near cost price

This does not make sense, there is chip shortage and high demand, your "someone" can sell the chips for a large profit if they are indeed getting them near or at cost price, so no, nobody is going to give you cheap chips, and then even if that was the case, you are better of reselling the chips for a premium than trying to reinvent the wheel.

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and the fact that assembling the miner on your own from parts is somehow costing much much less than what its going for.

That is not a fact, it's an assumption, there is a technology edge you seem to miss here, just by accruing the parts needed to make something does not mean you can "assemble" it cheaper than the manufacturer if this was the case, everyone would be making their own cars, TVs, phones and whatnot, your theory is only partially valid if you had nothing else to do, in other words, your time is worthless and thus there is no loss of opportunity cost.

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Moreover that aside, checking with other sellers on alibaba at the time of writing this message, the chips are going for around $10 to $14 maximum

I highly doubt that, they just don't know the latest prices and don't even bother asking their sources, try to make an order and you will be hit by the real prices, but then really the exact number does not matter, the price will be a reflection of the whole market, and the important part is that the total cost of the gear you are going to assemble is not going to be lower than the market price, be it $20 per chip of 20 chips for $1.

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As for the market not getting flooded with no-name miners, if the company is able to self-assemble the miner at less than half the amount of what it costs then the ROI is so quick that its not worth the risk to lose money by putting it up on the market.

This does not make sense, if the profit margin is as HUGE as you think, then nobody would have enough resources to run all those gears, someone would have made tens of thousands of them and fully utilized every bit of power they have and will eventually have to start selling, also there are no-name gears coming online, we are watching the hashrate very closely, everything points to a massive shortage in gear making across all the major manufacturers, I hate to break it to you but, NO, nobody is assembling S19s for a fraction of they go for.

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All i am saying is that, In theory there is no reason why it wouldnt work and i might put some funds into this in the coming months and it would be great if someone with pcb manufacturing ability is willing to help.

And I did not disagree with this, my whole point was economical, I know the technical part will be workable somehow, everyone can manufacturer almost everything, it all boils down to the cost and quality of the end product, there is no way on planet earth that a single person like you or I can beat the market, do you have the slightest clue how long it is going to take you to solder 342 chips which is probably the easiest part of your experiment?

I don't want to sound rude, but it's funny that you think you found a glitch in the game or a money printing machine which ONLY you know about, it's crazy because it sounds just like perpetual motion.

With that being said, if this is to be done for the sole purpose of learning or having fun, I'd go for it, but if you think you will assemble a miner at a reasonably lower price than the current markets, well, good luck.

I respect your opinions but i just simply disagree with most of what you said. Some of your opinions seem to be dependant on more of a "what can" instead of "what is" while the others are flat out contradicting mine without a valid reason.
I asked the sellers to make me an invoice along with shipping and handling and i am literally able to purchase the chips for $10 to $14 depending on the quantity with around $30 shipping (not including customs and handling).

No ones talking about cloning an s19 pro miner, this is about cloning the main PCB thats found in that miner. As for the time and soldering of the chips on the board, i am a software developer and i do hardware repairing job as a hobby on the side and hold over 6 years of experience. I can easily get access to BGA rework stations if need be. As stated before, getting 3 hash boards with 342 chips ready would take me no longer than around a day or two provided that i have a good PCB, excluding the hours it takes to reprogram the microcontroller.

As for everyone making their own cars and Phones. Think of it as replacing the wheels of an already intact car with aftermarket ones and replacing the screen of a phone with an aftermarket screen. (in a perfect scenario because nowadays even some screens are hardware locked to the phone).

You clearly dont have your research on the parts market and your statements simply state "this will not work because no" instead of a good explanation. Every bit of information i have shared can be traced back and confirmed if you do your research at least at the time of writing this post.