Acest om ispaseste o pedeapsa de dubla inchisoare pe viata plus un spor de 40 de ani, pentru ca a detinut un site web. Si toate astea in conditiile in care a fost la prima abatere
Maaaamaaa... nu am stiut ca-i chiar atat de stupida situatia. In cazul asta clar ispaseste muuuuult prea mult.
Da... este foarte trist...
Multumesc pentru rezumat. Chiar mi-a fost util!
A fost placerea mea... Mereu vorbesc cu placere despre acest subiect, care pare a fi o adevarata saga si, in timp, apar tot mai multe detalii nestiute pana atunci... Si prin "placere" vreau sa spun ca ma bucura cand pot spune un adevar despre o injustitie crasa, nu ca m-ar bucura (Doamne fereste) soarta lui Ross...
Sentinta are sens ca sa nu se trezeasca cu unii ca beneficiaza de legile (care nu au voie sa discrimineze/bage exceptii) de buna purtare si sa iasa de acolo. Are sens pentru chestii super nasoale, crime...
Dar fara probe nu este cazul...
Dar fara probe nu este cazul...
Corect... Inteleg logica din spate. Dar, atunci, ceilalti proprietari de piete negre, care au fost arestati ulterior... ei de ce au fost eliberati deja? Ei de ce au primit pedepse mai mici? Ei de ce au putut beneficia de suspendarea pedepselor...? Vezi? Ceva nu se leaga. Nu e corect ce traieste acest om. Este, din nou, un exemplu clar al dublului standard de moralitate, despre care am mai vorbit recent in alte topic-uri (cred ca iti amintesti). Deci A are un site ilegal si primeste dubla inchisoare pe viata. Plus 40 de ani. B are un alt site ilegal, identic cu primul -- ba, mai mult, o clona a acestuia (fix asa au fost contruite SR2.0 si SR3.0), dar iese dupa 2 ani. Cum e posibil asa ceva?
Pe Trump l-a durut la basca de faptul ca jumatate de milion de oameni sunt de parere ca omul ala ispaseste prea mult.
Hai ca ala era doar un taranoi cu bani; am mai multe asteptari de la actualul.
Acelasi lucru l-a facut si fata de Julian Assange, un jurnalist emerit. Care doar si-a facut treaba. Putea sa dea la final de mandat un decret prezidential prin care sa specifice ca SUA nu mai sunt interesate de aducerea lui Assange acolo, in vederea unui proces de la care poate primi vreo 175 de ani de puscarie (chiar la numarul asta de ani ajunge "infractiunea comisa" de el -- mai precis, faptul ca a spus adevaruri, asa cum trebuie sa faca orice jurnalist). De asemenea, Julian a fost si un Cypherpunk, motiv pentru care il respect si mai mult... Insa, in ambele cazuri, nu i-a pasat, desi la final de mandat, chiar in ultima zi, presedintii acorda gratieri... Altii au primit gratieri prezidentiale.
Acum, cea mai mare problema este modul in care s-a desfasurat ancheta
Zici ca au invatat de la ai nostri, plm...
Trist... Imi pare rau...
Da... Uite inca un exemplu despre cum au ajuns - chipurile - sa-l suspecteze pe Ross. Deci pe langa faptul ca au preluat probe in mod ilegal. Uite cat de ridicoli au fost si la modul in care au ajuns sa il suspecteze... Am highlightat cu galben unele parti.
- Coming back to Ross and to how the investigation started (32:00 - 34:46): it is stated that the govern used a "parallel construction" in order to frame him and to make him look like the real DPR. To be more specific, an IRS agent (Gary Alford) found on BitcoinTalk a post containing Ross's email, which was written before the thread found by Der-Yeghiayan (mentioned above). Practically, Der-Yeghiayan found the topic Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested 
, which was posted on March 1st, 2011 by the username silkroad, while Alford stated he found a post made by the user altoid on January 29th, 2011 (without specifying the name of the topic). The documentary says that Der-Yeghiayan couldn't have found this post during his investigation because it didn't exist. Alford claimed he found the respective post being quoted by another forum user in a discussion about SR (I could not find this post, although I searched it). Afterwards, Alford mentioned a real post of altoid, from October 11th, 2011 (which I found to be IT pro needed for venture backed bitcoin startup), where an email was stated: "rossulbricht at gmail dot com". And from here, the govern was led to suspect Ross being behind SR.
However, claims the documentary, this information could be planted by Karpeles (the alleged owner of BitcoinTalk) or by any other user with high level of access. Besides, the way that Alford found the respective email is compared with "finding a needle in a haystack the size of the Internet" (which I totally agree). With other words, from all the people trying to find information about SR owner, Alford only managed to find this email address. From here started the idea that the information was planted. Because if someone with high access would have made the respective post in the name of Ross then handed the information to Alford, everything looks more realistic.
, which was posted on March 1st, 2011 by the username silkroad, while Alford stated he found a post made by the user altoid on January 29th, 2011 (without specifying the name of the topic). The documentary says that Der-Yeghiayan couldn't have found this post during his investigation because it didn't exist. Alford claimed he found the respective post being quoted by another forum user in a discussion about SR (I could not find this post, although I searched it). Afterwards, Alford mentioned a real post of altoid, from October 11th, 2011 (which I found to be IT pro needed for venture backed bitcoin startup), where an email was stated: "rossulbricht at gmail dot com". And from here, the govern was led to suspect Ross being behind SR.However, claims the documentary, this information could be planted by Karpeles (the alleged owner of BitcoinTalk) or by any other user with high level of access. Besides, the way that Alford found the respective email is compared with "finding a needle in a haystack the size of the Internet" (which I totally agree). With other words, from all the people trying to find information about SR owner, Alford only managed to find this email address. From here started the idea that the information was planted. Because if someone with high access would have made the respective post in the name of Ross then handed the information to Alford, everything looks more realistic.
Poate ma insel. Insa Ross a fost victima perfecta. El era si asa, din fire, un tip linistit, pasionat de carti... literatura... nu parea deloc sa fie unul care sa se poata lupta cu sistemul. Nu a fost nevoie decat de un plan bine ticluit pentru a infunda pe un om pe viata, pentru ca apoi autoritatile sa braveze in fata lumii si sa spuna: "Ia uite ce treaba buna am facut!". Intre timp, adevaratul DPR ar putea fi liber. Insa chiar daca Ross a fost adevaratul DRP, cum poti sa il nenorocesti in halul asta pe un om, care era si la prima abatere in fata legii, pentru... detinerea unui site web? Cum e posibil asa ceva?
Si, ca tot vorbeam de documentar mai sus, aici se poate viziona (gratuit) online, pe YouTube, The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin. Documentarul vorbeste despre mai multe aspecte ale Bitcoin, dar si despre SR.
In link-urile urmatoare, insasi prestigioasa publicatie Wired (da, cea care i-a prezentat in urma cu multi ani si pe Cypherpunks, cu titlul Rebels with a Cause), descrie povestea lui Ross si a pietei SR:
- Partea 1
- Partea 2