Quote from: DireWolfM14 on May 19, 2021, 07:49:48 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on May 19, 2021, 11:54:06 AM

Quote from: Ljunior on May 17, 2021, 06:13:25 PM

Israel has just attacked civilian buildings and even clinics.

Al Rimal Clinic 3h ago

These are buildings with Hamas terrorists and military equipment inside. The attacks were justified. Hamas is using residential areas to make it more difficult for the IDF to neutralize the terrorists without inflicting civilian casualties. The IDF takes many precautions to prevent civilian deaths.

My sister used to work for the UN, and was stationed in Gaza. She's no fan of Israel (putting it mildly,) but she has said more than once that she did indeed find evidence of Hamas rockets having been fired from a hospital and a school.

If we want to have a rational, constructive discussion and solution we have to recognize Hamas for what they are; a terrorist organization who terrorize their own first. Their tactics are specifically designed to result in civilian Palestinian casualties, because that's what they want in the news reports. The Israeli military is not equipped to root out that type of insurgency, very few military organizations are, and therefore their options are limited.

I do believe that Israel is an apartheid state, and something should be done about it. As an American, I think we should start by not giving Israel weapons. I'd rather pay Nato to provide their protection. As for a two-state or a single state solution; I imagine they'll be able to work it out amongst themselves if we protect them from Iran's or our influence.

Hamas is widely known as a terrorist organization and is recognized as such by the US and other Western/civilized countries. Unfortunately, many on the left are sympathetic to terrorists.

The IDF has been defending Israel against these kinds of terrorists for decades. It has a very good apolitical intelligence apparatus that is able to find terrorist cells so the IDF can neutralize them. The reason the IDF has been less successful at taking out Hamas than it might otherwise should be is that Hamas uses Palestine citizens as human shields and the IDF wants to minimize civilian deaths, even if that means that terrorists also survive air strikes.

I don't think there is much (or any) evidence that Israel is an apartheid state. Both Arabs and Jews have the right to vote in Israel, and both have equal rights in the country.