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Quote from: Quickseller on May 19, 2021, 09:50:53 PM

It appears that terrorist propiganda is being posted in various P&S threads. Hamas is not only designated as a terrorist organization, but is also subject to OFAC sanctions.

The propaganda is not limited to one thread. There is another thread advocating for the mass murder of Jews whose replies contain pro-terrorism propaganda.

Anything can be called "propaganda," even sentiments that support your point of view. You wouldn't propose censoring opposing arguments, would you? Something tells me that you shouldn't hold your breath if that's what you expect.

If you see something that's in violation of the forum rules, report it. Global mods are still monitoring reports from P&S.

The definition of propaganda is:

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information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

I am not necessarily advocating that posts be censored, but am rather highlighting a problem. I don't think the posts in question violate any current rules.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 19, 2021, 09:50:53 PM

It appears that terrorist propiganda is being posted in various P&S threads. Hamas is not only designated as a terrorist organization, but is also subject to OFAC sanctions.

The propaganda is not limited to one thread. There is another thread advocating for the mass murder of Jews whose replies contain pro-terrorism propaganda.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. One man's propaganda is another man's truth. Many people would say Israel is a terror state and Palestine is practically an open air concentration camp. Who is right and who is wrong? Who gets to decide what is propaganda or not? The mods? Misinformation and propaganda is rife from both sides and both have committed war crimes. Neither can be trusted and both are as bad as each other but I'd say usually the bigger terrorist is the one with the bigger weapon. Should we count both Hamas and Israel as terrorist organisations? What about both the US and UK governments which also commit war crimes and atrocities far bigger than both Hamas and Israel, but we allow both pro and anti arguments regarding them. I don't see anything wrong with the image posted above regardless of whether you agree with it or not but the other thread which is arguably calling for genocide could certainly be removed. Did anyone report it because I can't see any reports on it? It's probably a troll account either way.

If the argument that Palestine is a "concentration camp" that would be the fault of Hamas, not Israel. Israel is giving away free electricity and water to Palestine. Hamas is occupying the territory.

There are authoritative sources that say Hamas is a terrorist organization. The mods do not need to make independent judgements, but can rely on a set of reliable and authoritative sources. If, over time a particular source proves itself to be unreliable, it can no longer be relied upon.

I think it would probably not be best to remove the propaganda posts in question, but would probably be good to perhaps have warnings applied to posts linking readers to authoritative sources of information about the subject, so the readers can make their own unbiased judgments.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 19, 2021, 09:50:53 PM

It appears that terrorist propiganda is being posted in various P&S threads. Hamas is not only designated as a terrorist organization, but is also subject to OFAC sanctions.

The propaganda is not limited to one thread. There is another thread advocating for the mass murder of Jews whose replies contain pro-terrorism propaganda.

It would be nice if we could know for sure who was intentionally spreading misinformation and stop them. But we can't. It spreads because people believe it. And if someone believes it, they aren't intentionally spreading misinformation. And people should be able to post what they believe.

The best cure to misinformation is more speech. However some malicious actors are able to produce a lot of speech, either by generating content that many are sympathetic to, or via automated means. If authoritative, neutral sources of information are linked to certain posts/threads, the effectiveness of a lot of misleading speech would be reduced.