Quote from: Antithesis on June 20, 2021, 05:55:53 AM

Quote from: Nhazwrath on June 17, 2021, 03:06:48 PM

Quote from: Antithesis on June 17, 2021, 02:21:11 AM

Quote from: Dabs on June 16, 2021, 07:05:51 PM

Ok. I'll accept the fact you can't send me BTC. It does not exist for you. That's fine with me. Have a nice day.

Nobody is able to send you BTC. Only symbols for it. BTC exists only in imagination, only in the human mind. Everything else traded in the market exists outside of the human mind (equity, debt, labor, services, cars, buildings, land, etc.). Given that Bitcoin exists only in imagination everyone defines it differently. Some even view it as a shiny coin which is why they create pictures of it.

Quote from: Nhazwrath on June 16, 2021, 11:49:59 PM

But you won't risk somebody buying you coffee with it? And by the way admitting that zero is a human concept you have to admit that Bitcoin is a human concept. And we find zero quite useful don't we? Pretty good for something that's a representative of nothing!

We can make 0 and Bitcoin equals. Since they are both representations of nothing. According to you.

No, they are both concepts. They don't actually exist in reality outside of the human mind. And both concepts can be represented with symbols: "zero", "0", "bitcoin", "btc".

Quote from: MrPB3N on June 17, 2021, 12:15:17 AM

I can't believe people actually think about bitcoin like this Roll Eyes

as if they are so smart that they realize that a bitcoin can't be physically held. I don't think this person would think this way about gravity or physics or love or brand value or other "intangible" things. Whether something is "real" or not is just all perspective. By this logic the US dollar is certainly not real either. Probably even less real than bitcoin.

Debt also can't be physically held. But it exists outside of human mind. US dollar is debt. This debt is represented with symbols "USD", and numbers. Debt is real. It is explained in the OP how it is created and how it is paid.

You claim BTC does not exist. But you also acknowledge that Zero Doesn't exist.

Since Zero and BTC are Both non existent how can we even think about such things if they do not exist? You/We clearly do think that Zero not only exists but has great value. You can apply the exact same logic to BTC. You cannot get around this argument since you have already said zero doesn't exist either.

These statement have equal value. since neither exists.

Are we having fun yet?

Zero is word for the concept of non-existence of quantity. BTC is word for the concept of money. Words exist. Concepts exist. But concepts exist in fantasy, not in reality. Bitcoin is money that exist in fantasy. It is represented with the word that exist in reality.

If I say that you own 10 Ferraris, and I write that statement down on paper, we have words on the medium that represent Ferraris that exist in fantasy. Likewise, if, via his software, Satoshi writes into the blockchain that some miner owns 10 Bitcoins, we have words on the medium that represent bitcoins that exist in Satoshi's fantasy. Things don't come into existence via words. Only if you are God. Satoshi is not God.

Oh, You came back. You continue to deny this thing we call reality. TV only exists due to electrons and ideas. Bitcoin= electrons and ideas. Just stop, you have hit embarrassment territory now.