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The best theory I have seen (which CSW sued the guy to take the post down so obviously he's above the target) is that Hal Finney was the brains behind Bitcoin using his genius brain to put together all of the pieces created by so many smart cypherpunks before him. He enlisted the help of Dave Kleinman for his expertise as well they were both suffering from the same life threatening disease. While Finney did most of the background work Dave took on the Satoshi character understanding the implications of what they were doing. He knew that he needed to be completely anonymous so he asked his friend Craig Wright for some pointers on how to hide his identity very well. He then took on the "public" persona of Satoshi and was the Satoshi that we all know. He set up the first few nodes while keeping anonymous, bringing in Finney's nodes early on as a non-anonymous node though they likely were working together on everything before that.

Trying to maintain both a public and anonymous persona is ripe for error. The original Bitcoin release was quite small, and totally within the capabilities of a single skilled programmer. I believe Satoshi was a single individual and is not any now-known figure.

If CSW knew the real Satoshi, it would be within reason that CSW would have at least been a real early miner and not just a speculator. Or he got some coins early for his ideas on how to be anon...

About the only thing that made sense from CSW before bitcoin was his work on scrubbing data from hard drives.

If CSW had really known about bitcoin in 2008 or 2009, he should have some 1k to 10k BTC just from mining or buying cheap. If he does not, then that's just foolishness on his part. I think he did not really know about bitcoin until maybe a little before he became publicly known, so about 2014-2015-ish? And he'd have maybe 1 to 10 BTC from buying it around that time with pocket change.

Anyone who has 1k to 10k BTC today who is not Elon or Saylor would be wise to remain quiet about their holdings.

Of course, plenty of OG bitcoiners don't have 1k today even if they knew about bitcoin in 2012 or 2011. Because reasons.

Exactly!!!!!

I don't know why people want to ascribe that diptwat CSW much, if any, meaningful involvement into BTC before he showed up on the bitcoin scene in 2015 or whenever it was, which was way later than he proclaims it to be.... and he had just been making shit up ever since and perhaps going back to try to doctor history to make it appear that he had involvement and the evidence is not there. Like you say, Dabs otherwise, just the mere fact that he was in the game earlier would have caused him to be smarter about bitcoin in a variety of ways (including being demostrateable by concrete behaviors)... ..

And, yeah it is really difficult to ascribe a certain number of coins to anyone (OG) merely based on when they first got involved in BTC... that's for sure... In other words, we likely need quite a bit more than a date started to make any kinds of reasonable and meaningful inferences.

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The only homogenous train of thought there should be allowed for each person that pertains to having a personality, enforcing it and upholding it. Roll Eyes

In theory, that makes lots of senses as a coherent thought. Wink

F^ck that... Cheesy

... The world is too fake and f-ed up to make a difference or to matter anymore anyway.

But anyway.... What you think about the price?? ... Do you think it will go up, down, sideways, (maybe back in time... Cheesy

).... Eh?? Tongue

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Don't you need to put a timeframe on your question? How about defining UP or down, too?

I will attempt to do it for you. We will call up as above $46k, down as below $25k and sideways as "you know" between the up and down, you dumb fuck.

I am just ballpark guessing... I don't really know that much, and sure, I could change my ballpark guess by tomorrow, so it is not exactly solid to get my feelings at this particular spontaneous moment.

1) in the next month: up 33.3575%, down 33.3%, sideways 33.3425%

2) in the next 6 months: up 62.5%, down 16%, sideways 21.5%

3) in the next 18 months: up 80%, down 9.5%, sideways 11.5%