Quote from: Porfirii on July 30, 2021, 08:01:31 PM

Quote from: beertoll on July 30, 2021, 07:46:10 PM

Quote from: Porfirii on July 30, 2021, 06:31:01 PM

A regional politician in my country is asking the President of the Government to make mandatory the vaccination of the entire population because "a 5% or 7% of negationists can mess up things for everyone".

Some vaccines are already mandatory and have been for many decades, before some people were born.

I agree, but all the vaccines in your list have passed the legal pre-clinical and clinical trials and are proven to be safe to use.

But we are not talking about these, but about a new therapy that has just a few months of research.

I do understand that taking into account the emergency in all the world and the threat for some elderly and vulnerable people, they are helping many people for whom it is less the risk of the vaccine than of the virus; but making mandatory for all, young and children with a near zero risk of dying from Covid included, without knowing the side-efects in the mid-long term, is just insane to me.

I have worked for a biotech and here you are the typical timeline prescripted for any drugs (without the preclinical phase which should be added); taking into account that a vaccine, genic therapy or whatever can be much riskier than any typical drug, it is my opinion that no one should be forced to get it at least for now. Because if we agree, what will be next? Would you really like every children in the world to be inyected with something you don't know which effects could have in, say, 5 years? I don't think we should let any Government to make experiments with the entire population mandatory.

I understand when people base their concerns on that. But these concerns are still fueled by misconceptions.

Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Claims that COVID-19 vaccines are “experimental”, have skipped animal testing, and have not completed initial research trials are false. FDA quote - RNA vaccines have been held to the same rigorous safety and effectiveness standards as all other types of vaccines in the United States. Here is a long read from FDA - https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download

Why is it rolled out so quickly then? Because of the emergency, vaccine development was accelerated by combining clinical trial phases to help speed up the progress. But the processes and safety weren't compromised. Governments funded the development and usual bureaucratic obstacles weren't in the way.
https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/how-covid19-vaccine-developed-fast
https://news.uchicago.edu/story/how-were-researchers-able-develop-covid-19-vaccines-so-quickly

The modern world is more agile and we have a better technology that allows us to do things better and faster than in the sixties.
RNA-based vaccines are quicker and cheaper to develop and the next vaccines for other diseases will be developed and manufactured much faster than before.

About side effects.
Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose. Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines, and no long-term side effects have been detected.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

After vaccination, the cells make copies of the spike protein, and the mRNA is degraded within a few days and the spike proteins last only up to a few weeks. Nothing stays in your body to cause long-term damage.

And no, mRNA vaccines cannot change your DNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

COVID-19 vaccines authorized for emergency use in the U.S. and UK are not experimental and have completed animal and clinical trials.

Moderna and Phizer applied for full approval of their vaccines under priority review and most likely they will be approved within months.

It is still going to be too fast for some people and they would like to test it with time. But there is no time.

The danger is already here and there is a much greater risk for people to be hurt than some baseless fear that something can go wrong in 5 years.

People transferring or getting the virus on the way from and to work and bringing it to their co-workers and family members who may be at a higher risk than they are. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures, and Guillain-Barre syndrome.

And even if people have mild COVID-19 symptoms there is a risk of organ damage and long-term health problems.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

I know people whose health is ruined after recovery from COVID-19.