Quote from: The Ghoul on August 09, 2021, 02:03:20 AM

Quote from: amishmanish on August 08, 2021, 05:14:18 AM

Duh..Stop comparing intellect dude. Say what you want to say. You aren't convincing anyone on the forum that you aren't a CCP handle or that China's system of control and monitoring is somehow a glowing example for the rest of the world to emulate.

Duh..Stop comparing intellect dude.I did not convince anyone on the forum. Please don't set up a false enemy.You reminded me of taking out a can of washing powder to responsibilities that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.I understand, the freedom in your mouth means what you want to do, no reason is needed.

Your language and comprehension coupled with your over-confidence makes it nearly impossible to have a debate but we try to be as open to ideas on this forum as possible. It seems that you have also gone on to cry about discrimination in Meta, so I'd like to convince you that none of this is about discriminating against you as an individual but about the philosophy you are trying to propagate. You will never convince the free people of the world, much less bitcoiners, that an optimal method of scoial governance needs an over-arching central authority "managing" the best for everyone else.

Your reply to my point about idiomatic usage of "All people are free to vote and express" in context of democracies just shows that your brain is unable to even comprehend democracy. Like i said earlier, lets leave it at that. You have already shown your true colors with expressions like "Stupid people with their stupid votes" etc., so there really is no need to elaborate on that. I will still address your typical CCP tactic of trying to target democracies for their internal problems. You clearly are up to date with your handbook of "talking points" with various nationalities. If its India, talk about Ganges and population and toilets. If its USA, talk about racism and BLM riots and Iraq.

Quote from: The Ghoul on August 09, 2021, 02:03:20 AM

Quote from: amishmanish on August 08, 2021, 05:14:18 AM

That rhetoric and whataboutery adds nothing to the debate of Freedom vs Communist Control. Like I said in my previous post, the free people of the world can see through the Chinese agenda of trying to portray their "system" as superior. The world has been through this charade multiple times. Stop jailing your businessmen for "picking quarrels" and maybe we'll talk.

You didn't answer my question.Since you can't answer the above complicated questions, I will ask you some simpler questions.If you propose that your country repair toilets, will it be effective?If you propose to clean up the Ganges river, will this proposal pass?If you propose to increase the punishment for raping women, will this pass?

I didn't address your country specific questions because that is really whataboutery (go search what that means), when we were talking about the preference people have for free societies like democracies rather than controlled, curtailed, image management dependent societies like China or the erstwhile communist countries.

Still, because you insist, you should know that you have heard about above issues because the leadership has actually tried to address them and they are making considerable progress. I said in my very first post that Democracies aren't perfect and there are times when we ourselves jostle with the fact that decision-making can be so cumbersome and implementation can often be so far away from actual plans. Just look at the ongoing twists and turns in the US Senate about the crypto bill. A lot depends on the leadership at various levels and people get to choose depending on their performance. Sure the process can be slow.

This does not mean that China, with its system of suppression and controlled governance is the only country in the world that has progressed. Higher growth and happiness has been seen by several democracies historically. Just because China did well in the last decade is no proof that the system of suppressing free speech and controlling people isn't reprehensible.

People who live in democracies will never like a system in which they are assigned points for their behavior and businessmen are incarcerated for so much as even attempting to criticize the supreme leader or party. That thought is just alien and repugnant to the free mind.

I repeat again, nobody hates the fact that the Chinese people are better off than they were a few decades ago. We just have a certain dislike for propagandists from the Middle Kingdom who have been lately trying pretty hard to convince the rest of the world that they aren't wolves in sheep's clothing.