Quote from: dedizonesv2 on August 08, 2021, 08:26:54 AM

Quote from: dimafern on August 05, 2021, 05:23:32 PM

Hello!

Hive OS team here. We are answering your question.

> they are thieves they say pool 0% of fees whereas it is totally false, you mine at a rate of 3% their own block, their pools one of the least profitable and the real miners know very well that the pps + pools are the worst for loyal miners

That is simply not true. As we've already explained to you in chat as well — the 3% pool fee is completely optional. It serves as an alternative payment method for Hive OS for Paid Accounts. You can either top up your funds with crypto as it's always been the case or you can enable the OPTIONAL 3% pool dev fee — which automatically handles the cost/payments of the workers on HiveOn. This isn't a secret, we haven't been hiding this and it's pretty much very well documented on all our Payment FAQ articles.

> They are not transparent at all and when we ask them for information, we are insulted.
M.E.V because it is supposedly the share of minors, I am still waiting for the answer.

We've been nothing but transparent throughout — Well before MEV was implemented and well afterward too. We've made announcements on all our social mediums. Almost ALL pools out there that support MEV take a share of it, it's not news to anyone. We payout 90% of MEV rewards to miners that was well communicated during implementation and has never been a secret anywhere.

If you have any other questions or misunderstandings please contact our support, we work 24/7 hours.

Our email: bee@hiveos.farm or via website-live chat https://hiveos.farm/

You say you are transparent but on most pages so your site tells you 0% Fee but you remain the least profitable pool.
Do you want me to take a test and approve my words again?

Regarding MEV it's just not normal you say everyone takes costs but between 1% and you + 10% we are far from the 0% fee pool I remind you that it is the minors' share that must logically compensate for the lack to gain from the London update but also you drew from our income.

if I look at profitability 7/8 August 2021:

Hiveon: 0.03* ETH / 24 hours
All pools, even ethermine, are at 0.4* ETH over 24 hours
we still have à 30$ difference over 24 hours

And the problem is that it is like that every day, you are never the most profitable pool
may be a technical problem, pps+ is not the best protocol for profitability, why not add pplns or d-pplns ?

but the question of profitability is not really there, we are talking about visual transparency.
You say "FREE" and it really isn't.

Unfortunately nobody on the poster on his site that you take a M.E.V percentage if I had not said here nobody knows

HiveON: 3% Fee* + 10% MEV
Ethermine: 1% Fee + 20% MEV
Flexpool: 0.5% Fee + 10% MEV

the others are either less than 1% except nanopool which does not take since it is not MEV compatible

Where are the hashrate stats of the pool? And your API ??

if you say you are so transparent?

I therefore invite the miners and especially since the London update to maximize their profit by even comparing the pools
To check well between what it displays on their site and to divide to fall into the marketing relentlessness of youtubers who are paid to promote the pools.

If we have any questions you invite us to send you emails? or come in private but why not put them in public here
Here is worth message remains that on telegram you deleted them when it annoys you!

I am not here to say that X or Y pool is not good, but I ask for more transparency of the pools, because keep in mind nothing is free.

I guess an entire channel trying to explain things to you didn't do the trick, then?

1. (For maybe the 76th time already, too) Hiveon Pool has 0% fees. The 3% you keep (so fondly) mentioning is completely optional. And it is set in place for PAID CUSTOMERS that rather opt for automatic payments instead of constantly having to top up their Hive OS account funds. The optional 3% instead of 3$ for each worker, can be enabled/disabled in your farm's Billing tab. Goes without saying that it only applies once enabled (so it won't account for any outstanding negative balances) and only for workers actually mining on Hiveon (so you can't pay for workers mining on other pools with it).

We have a TON of articles, Billing FAQs, Payment FAQs, etcetc. That are VERY clear on this. So perhaps it would be best you check and actually READ them before going into your baseless little rants again.
Pricing Page: https://hiveos.farm/pricing
Billing FAQ: https://forum.hiveos.farm/t/billing/
Hive OS Billing updates: https://[Suspicious link removed]/37u1745
Payment FAQ: https://[Suspicious link removed]/3AkAJWT

2. You're obviously a little dated with your information as we've been distributing 100% MEV rewards since the London Fork.

3. To summarize;

* Hiveon has 0% pool fees (unless you manually opt for the 3% as explained above).
* Hiveon covers transaction costs.
* Hiveon distributes 100% MEV rewards to miners(was 90% before the London Fork).

And I wholeheartedly suggest you inform yourself on how pools actually work. If you're going to attempt to do comparisons, you should at least try to do them evenly split (preferably from the same worker), at the exact same time, for an extensive amount of time (we're not talking mere days here).

On average, there's little to no difference in profits when it comes to the largest pools. You're talking about constant and derivative variables which shift any and each way consistently. Today pool X has the upper hand, tomorrow pool Y, the day after, pool Z overall the differences are negligible long-term.

So my general advice is to stick to where you are whether it's hiveon or any other pool. These constant debates on what and where the profitability is at its highest is a load of biased bullshit half the time, and the other half based on ridiculous measurements and stats that are as accurate as pulling them from thin air would be.

If there was one single pool that had the highest profitability out there - consistently too, everyone would be (obviously) mining on it.