Quote from: cAPSLOCK on Today at 01:44:53 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 05:04:56 AM

I have also learned to try NOT to get too surprised by anything, even while I am ongoingly "I told you"ing folks about where we are at.. and so many of them remain nocoiners.. so I just ongoingly wonder and wonder and wonder when they are going to get in.. are they waiting for $1 million coins or what?

This is a very important thing to cultivate. It has made me generally peaceful through many of the downs (and ups!) of Bitcoin over the years. I cannot say I am 100% cured in this regard, but one of the strange things I have learned over the last decade is to not care about money all that much any more. It really does not fix anything, and most of the things we think it will do for us... it will not.

In this particular area of discussion and frustration in regards to some of my ongoing nocoiner interactions, I doubt that I am considering money to solve all the things, because part of my point with my various interactions with so many of the nocoiners remains the seemingly consistent theme that involves concern about money in terms of the dollar not holding its value.. and so there is an ongoing concern coming from these kinds of peeps about financial security.. and surely I continue to stick with my get off zero and get 1% to 10% of your investments into bitcoin... so yeah, maybe I am beating a dead horse with them and also beating a dead horse in repeating my frustrations in this thread...

Yes.. I can ignore people with whom I interact, and we can talk about other topics, and believe me we do talk about other topics, and I suppose a positive sign about bitcoin, is that more frequently, I am not even the one bringing it up, but sure part of my own problem in some of these interactions remains that I am known as the bitcoin guy.

There are also many of us who might get into conversations in which we are not necessarily the bitcoin guy, yet people still tend to inevitably get into conversations that deal with craziness involving ongoing concerns about their ability to maintain their standard of living through ordinary measures, and sure, even if they are a high income earner they might be concerned about where to invest their money and if they are a lower income earner, sometimes they are not even investing in shit, anyhow.. and sometimes they consider investing in consumption goods to be an investment.. which remains somewhat problematic for me to continue to engage in some of these conversations without at least questioning whether they might be better served to have some kind of a savings/investment plan, and surely I am NOT going to recommend people to put money in the banks, and even if the stocks are doing well, it might be hard to suggest investment into stocks even though we may well know that many people might not have too many investment options, so they might ONLY have either something like a 401k or possibilities of buying property.. so surely bitcoin could end up being part of the mixed set of suggested investments - even if many normies will still have trouble even getting to bitcoin as a potential complement to their lives if they have some difficulties even considering the value of savings (and bitcoin remains a kind of different and old fashion kind of savings in terms of laying out longer term possible returns.. not just getting caught up in short term ups and downs)..

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on Today at 01:44:53 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 05:04:56 AM

A kind of side story: yesterday, one of my uncles mentioned something about since I have bitcoin that I am going to be able to do whatever I want when bitcoin reaches $1 million, and I asked why the hell would I personally need $1 million per coin.. I said for rounding off purposes, we could just figure that my costs per BTC are around $1k, and I am wondering if he could even imagine why someone in my position would need any more BTC price appreciation in order to be happy.. why do I give any shits if BTC reaches a million or not? Sure, I hope BTC does not go back below $20k.. and I am even doubting the possibility of that ever happening again, so if we have spot price profits that ends up being around 50x in profits for me and a kind of guaranteed ongoing profits of 20x, then why would I need more than that.... I said that is already amazing profits, and I am not even saying that bitcoin is not going to $1 million.. I said that there still is no other investment that is as good as bitcoin.. even given current market conditions

I said sure, maybe if I buy a helicopter, then my problems could be solved because so many people get rich and they buy helicopters and then they crash their helicopters when they had a lot going for them. .Maybe it is not a good idea to buy a helicopter, then. I had some other frustrations talking with seemingly committed no coiners.. and just seems crazy.. that so many of the no coiners still do not want to budge... when? when? when? I don't know.. they may well wait until we get to FOMO position.. and we are not there, yet.. even though they consider that we are already in FOMO status.. and we are quite likely not.. not yet.

This is one of the most weirdly frustrating things. I have not cast many pearls really, because people do not listen to you, and it's a waste of time. But now and then I try, and it still blows my mind.

I have a hard time to just leave people flailing.. even if in the end it remains quite likely that they are going to resort to back to various nocoiner rationalizations regarding their having had missed the bitcoin train blah blah blah.

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on Today at 01:44:53 PM

I accidentally left a bluetooth headset in a box I handed off to a co-worker. This morning he asked if I could give him my address and he'd mail it. I said, sure, and told him if he gives me a BTC address i will cover more than the postage. "Nah.", He said... "no worries". "Well, just think! If I send you 10-15 bucks in BTC today, it could be worth a lot more in a few years!". "I could only wish that would be true." was his final reply.

It just doesn't seem to sink in, and I blame part of these matters on the various convolution of crypto versus bitcoin, so many normies have hardly any clue about what bitcoin is, and when they attempt to look at into the matter at all, they get confused and distracted by both what they heard bitcoin is and they kind of consider bitcoin to be crypto.. which largely means that they have hardly fucking any clue.. even if they kind of are able to articulate some various ideas about magical internet money cult stuffs..

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on Today at 01:44:53 PM

I would really like to give him the money. But if he's going to remain asleep then I am not going to waste SATS sending them to a wallet he will not be able to find the keys for when he realizes it is now worth $500. And I will not be able to bear the message I will get... "Hey! How can I get to the Bitcoin you sent me?" You can't. Neither of us can now...

Been there.. done that several times..

I am probably not going to completely give up.. but sure, we can sometimes see what is likely to happen..

I have an aunt that I was working with for the past 6 months or so, and when we were talking by phone, she was wanting to change the topic to bitcoin.. and I pretty much had written her off, and I was telling her that it was going to be likely that she had not done shit since our last conversation, but she had at least gotten started, so sometimes some normies do start to take action, even when we had considered writing them off as a lost cause.....

In other words, I had gotten so frustrated with her over the years of our so many conversations.. but at least now she seems to be taking some action and about $50 per week DCA.. and sure it should be a bit more than that, but whatever, it is better than nothing..

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on Today at 01:44:53 PM

I have another workmate that I sent $5 to in BTC years ago. This one, though I set up the wallet and keep a copy of the seed words myself. Good thing, as I am 100% sure he's lost it, and it's worth 4 figures in USD now. I am not sure what I will charge him to give him the keys later.

It's so weirdly frustrating.

That's the level of ongoing difficulties that we are dealing with for sure, and part of the problem of attempting to help some people more than they are willing to help themselves. I have a couple of similar stories to that one too.. not exactly the same but pretty damned similar... .. one of them $80 at $420-ish.. which would be around 0.19BTC... so of course, I replaced that amount in my wallet after I sent it as a gift, but just think about around $9,500 of value being "lost" due to failure/refusal to be responsible on the side of the recipient.