Quote from: Welsh on August 24, 2021, 12:18:05 PM

Quote from: ArcusIsidar on August 24, 2021, 10:24:02 AM

Why scams, abuses and everything bad around is not moderated, but the regular members have rights to decide what's wrong and right instead of the forum Staff/Moderators?

Personally, I think allowing the community to sort out community issues is probably the best approach, especially when it comes to subjective cases. Scams aren't always obvious, and it's best to catch a scam before it happens, right? Well, a moderator banning a user just because they seem like a scammer would open a whole can of worms, while if the community does it by applying a flag or trust rating, than trust rating can be openly disputed, and the user can still actively voice their concerns, and potentially continue trading despite the allegations, because there has been times where the allegations have been false. If we were to ban those users, the only way to currently appeal a ban his to email admins or appeal in Meta to other staff users. This would likely lead to accusations of corruption, although there's plenty of those accusations thrown around over the years. At least, with the community other community users can disagree in a open way, and sort out who the most suitable users are to judge others, and therefore be included in DefaultTrust, DT2, DT3, and so on.

Quote from: ArcusIsidar on August 24, 2021, 10:24:02 AM

The forum is full with non-sense, off-topic and spam and no one seems to care about it.

We all care about removing spam, there's moderators actively moderating around the clock to remove it. However, when your moderating a website the size of this forum it can be difficult. Especially, if you have a lot of users posting spam, but not enough suitable candidates for moderators.

Quote from: ArcusIsidar on August 24, 2021, 10:24:02 AM

If you guys do not know how to moderate a forum, take a look at Sythe, Powerbot, MMORPG and forums that let their Moderators to take actions.

It's not comparable. Do those forums have a eco system similar to Bitcointalk? Signature campaigns are both an advantage, and a disadvantage for the forum. We have our own eco system, but the drawback from that is it does create spam in itself. Bounties don't exist on the forums that you've mentioned, and therefore can't be compared.

Quote from: ArcusIsidar on August 24, 2021, 10:24:02 AM

Is that how things work like here? Is this some kind of gang-team forum membership where rules and moderation means nothing?

The trust system is far from perfect. However, you could potentially just carry on your day ignoring it. If you use escrow, and guard against the possibility to scam, then it likely won't effect your on forum trading all that much. I don't think anyone will disagree with you here, there's been multiple instances either several forum users gang up, or they are split down the middle, and go to war with each other. That unfortunately is what people do, we can guard against that, but really we can't stop it. This is evident in almost all industries I've been involved in, and worked in.

If they were only useless that would be a vast improvement.

Just take a look at the independently verifiable truth.

The vast majority are

1. Proven scammer supporters
2. Willing scam facilitators for pay
3. Down for censoring whistleblowers and abusing their accounts.
4. Scammer sympathisers who cry when they leave the forum
5. Self serving broke bum parasites that will do, say or agree with anything to keep their sig
6. Will stand by and observe all of the above and say nothing to remain inside with these dregs.

You would have a big problem mentioning any well known meta posters that I can not undeniably demonstrate fall into these categories.

Then you have fools like Welch who keep spouting debunked moronic drivel that has been debunked 100x before in the objective standards thread started by TS that TOAA had covered multiple times before.

Subjective scamming? " the community decide"

The community? You mean a bunch of proven scammers and scammer supporters?
The community is long gone but they didnt get to decide shit.
Well they got to decide to leave I guess lol

Go ahead test it out ... bring me on of the regular DT meta posters or mods or theymos or the 2bit selective scam hunters.
I mean the true dirt bags are mostly gone but their supporters like hilarious, suchmoon, Welch a big tman ass muncher, theymos a big lauda the scammer fan and all the other weasels are still here leaching the remaining dust from the forum.

Go ahead bring some suggestions including all the scum like nutildah and pharmacist aka hugeblackwoman

The bct human centipede of broke down dregs all trying to stomp out any whistleblowers or even competition to their racket.

The telling point above their own past scamming and scammer supporting and protecting was the rejection of removing subjectivity and introducing the objective standards as a transparent and basis for the trust system.

TS did seemingly influence theymos to make a half hearted attempt at that but he totally fucked it up and made it worse by leaving the subjective corrupt red tag system in place and even lower the threshold for red tagging.

Not that he ever upheld his empty words for the proven scamming or strong evidence of scamming and just allowed his pals like lauda and other parasites like nutildah to give out red tags for presenting independently verifiable evidence of their own financially motivated wrongdoing.

So useless would be a huge improvement over the deliberately negative and corrupt self serving input they have here.

Watch nobody debunk anything I've just said.
Then start to realise that complaining here and expecting any support from those theymos has placed in power directly or indirectly is a waste of time.

Imagine asking people that have been here since near the start or many many years that are still broke down bums to willingly compete on a fair playing field if they dont have to? They dont want that.

They are not useless, they are deliberately and wilfully corrupt and dirty.

Hence why meta is an echo chamber that will tell you everything is perfect and optimal whilst scammers punish whistleblowers whilst leaching max dust from the forum.

People dont like being broke
People dont like being unpopular

Those 2 forces have moulded what has become the concentrated mass of low functioning dregs that remain here.

They have leveraged and destroyed the board on this bullshit " we must be able to guess at who is a scammer before they scam"
Whilst at the same time saying our pals can scam and have multiple instances of financially motivated wrong doing and we will block all warnings on them and punish anyone whistleblowing on them.

That is not just useless is it?

That's like describing a rapist as useless. Admin and mods will not only standby and allow scammers to abuse their whistleblowers they will join in and support that. They will also resist objective transparent standards as a basis for the trust system.

If you are innocent just make another account. They'll be looking for an excuse now.
If you are a scammer just leave.

Don't waste time in meta though, you would never get a fair hearing here.

There will be zero credible challenge to this post because it's all been done before and anyone of the vocal and active DT meta posters knows they have been crushed by the truth every time they attempt a rebuttal.

Understand just what that means about the people running this show now.