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Specifically, what in this essay can you factually disagree with? Attacking the author as "just" and agricultural advisor is immaterial. What Specifically do see as BS? I see very little, personally, that is counter to what I have known about virology, immunology, and yes, agricultural husbandry for many years. Do you want my personal credentials? GFY! Opsec.
Why not look into the credentials of Dr. Robert Malone? Or better yet, look a little deeper into the track record of Dr. Anthony Faucci... (how many died due to his stubborn insistence that HIV could be treated with a single miracle cure rather than a strategic regime of therapeutic & symptom based treatment?)

Serious questions: What percentage of Covid-19 infections do YOU believe lead to hospitalization? What percentage by your understanding leads to death? How many have died since March 2020 due to increased addiction, mental illness, and suicide brought on by isolation, fear, and economic catastrophe? How many have died due to abject failure in the medical industry to maintain sensible treatment plans for NON-COVID based healthcare treatment?

My own father (the best man I ever knew) died from Covid policies in June 2020 even though he was tested 4 times and came up negative every time. His bronchioscopy that was scheduled as a follow-up after his successful radiation treatment had eradicated his stage 1 cancer was canceled. His pulse-ox readings were dropping into the 80-85% range. But because he was Covid negative, and since covid protocol would not allow his regular Dr's, those familiar with his specific conditions, to see him or be involved in his treatment, he was quickly discharged and put on oxygen. 8 days after his 70th birthday after being discharged from the hospital 4 times, he sat up on the edge of his bed and told my mother, "I can't breathe!" The irony of his last words, in June of 2020, "I can't breathe!" He then fell over and bled out from the aneurysm in his left lung that had grown to the point of rupturing since it was first detected in October of 2019. His Oncologist felt that it was more important to continue his treatments at that time, but wanted to look back with a bronchioscopy in February or March... Our hospitals were never overwhelmed, but the medical industry lost its collective mind! My father never had Covid-19 as my wife and I were very careful to avoid exposing him or my mother as we both went through it in May. He never had it, but it killed him just the same. I did have it, it sucked. And it cost me an additional 6 weeks of time with my father. 6 weeks of his last 8.

I had it, I beat it, and I have been exposed numerous times since. Because when the world shut down and my wife was furloughed I was needed much more urgently. After 18 months of working 50+ hours per week and traveling at least 1 week out of every month, I'm tired and maybe a bit cranky! But you tell me to "trust the science" "listen to the professionals" & "take the jab" FUCK YOU! The science tells me I already have natural immunity and due to my genetic predisposition to cardiovascular issues and blood clots, the science tells me this vaccine is not offering enough benefit to outweigh the risks. My wife went ahead and got the Pfizer vaccine. She has a genetic autoimmune issue that made it seem sensible for her even though she had already beaten Covid in early 2020. Of course that was when it was deemed 94% effective 🙄 and she has since developed a heart murmur that nobody can explain. Probably not related, but who knows?

So yea it kinda matters to me personally, so tell me Specifically, what do you see as being BS?

I've tried to avoid this topic because this is a Bitcoin conversation, (and because it's a bit of an emotional topic for me) but I greatly appreciated the link that was posted as I found it very helpful to see my own thoughts and knowledge expressed so succinctly. But you insist that it's 99% BS, and dismiss it. NO, Specifically what is factually untrue or even misleading?

I don't have time to spoon-feed you. You have to use your own brain. Basically it's just one big lie. All "facts" are purely SOMA kind of statements. No sources, no references.

So your father has passed away that's sad but why do you blame C19 for it? I have a feeling most antivaxxers (the ones who were not antivaxxers before 2020) have become antivaxxers after something bad happened in their lives. Lost a job in tourism industry? Blame Covid! Lost a relative due to some other disease? Blame Covid! Lost a night club or restaurant related business? Blame Covid! People just seem to need an enemy. Covid is a virus so it has no owner or CEO or whatever (just like BTC does). You can't blame a virus right? But my government is saying I should stay home. Blame government! Or let's say the virus was artificially created by China! Blame China! Or big pharma is not giving away vaccines for free? Blame big pharma! Grin

If you wife has an autoimmune disease she made a wise choice. She'd most probably die from Covid. You know that Covid is 9-12 times more likely cause blood clots than vaccines? Cool

Staying alive is not big enough benefit for you? Grin

No pandemic can last forever. No one is forcing you to take unlimited booster shots. In fact many governments and doctors are against it and claim only people with weak immunity should take extra jabs.

And finally: if you trust a cow breeder as your doctor/medical advisor then why not let your car mechanic fix your teeth? Or your plumber examine your wife's genitals in a gyno checkup? And I thought that was clear for everyone with IQ above 50... Grin

I didn't ask you to spoon feed me, as I said this essay agrees with my understanding of things. I have used my brain and knew a majority of what was said there-in before I read it. I asked very specific questions and you dodged them completely and then proceeded to blather on with a series of straw men & insults, so yea, answer seems to have been given by your refusal to answer and Fuck You very much!

And NO, I do not blame Covid for my father's death. I thought I was clear about that, HE NEVER HAD IT! I blame the stupid reactions, fear mongering, and economic shutdown imposed upon us by brainless diptwats like yourself who blindly scream trust the science to support destructive societal changes that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Science! So I guess it would be much more sensible to say I Blame You for my father's death rather than C19. And NO I am NOT an "Antivaxxer" I am up to date on my mumps, measles & rubella as well as tetanus and a couple others. I never had to get the chicken pox vaccine because I had already gotten chicken pox as a kid... Just Like I have Already Gotten & FULLY RECOVERED from Covid. So why subject myself to additional risk (as small as it may be) when I already have immunity that has proven to be far more effective than the vaccine? And NO my wife does NOT have an autoimmune disease, and as I said she has already had and recovered from Covid as well so she "most probably" WON'T die from Covid you dumb fuck! (Reading comprehension troubles eh? Explains a lot!) Yes I made my decision as to what gave me the best odds of staying alive. Granted part of my decision was determined by the fact that everyone recommending the vaccine was using provable lies for support and refusing to account for my particular circumstances, having already achieved immunity and genetic factors. By the way, my Dr. completely agrees with my decision but warns that it may end up coming down to a matter of convenience as opposed to best personal health practices.
So I don't know where you got your straw man about a cow breeder as a health advisor. But since I do all my own auto repair, and also do far more daily to maintain my oral heigene than anyone else and since I also do my own plumbing work... Why don't you just Fuck Right Off if you're not going to answer the questions I posed?

What percentage of Covid-19 infections do YOU believe lead to hospitalization? What percentage by your understanding leads to death? How many have died since March 2020 due to increased addiction, mental illness, and suicide brought on by isolation, fear, and economic catastrophe? How many have died due to abject failure in the medical industry to maintain sensible treatment plans for NON-COVID based healthcare treatment? Specifically, what in this essay can you factually disagree with?

Ok enough of this vaccine talk. I can't change you you can't change me. In the UK, over 90% of population have had at least one shot already. Other countries to follow. So it's over. Let go. You lost. You're the minority here, accept it. Cool