Quote from: Cryptotourist on Today at 07:06:47 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 06:53:04 AM

Well, for the average joe blow, then sure there continues to be a certain amount of ongoing misleading of him, but if he can see through the misleading aspects, then he will be advantaged by bitcoin - does not really matter about his beliefs or whether he is connected, a conformist or a rebel.

Yes. In the end it won’t matter.

What I am trying to suggest is that with information asymmetry, those of us who have been able to figure out the value proposition is going to be advantaged, so too bad, so sad if there are going to be a lot of deserving normies who are mislead into believing that they should not take any action to accumulate their BTC stash. Those of us who have figured it out are going to be able to profit whether we are normies or not, and the traditional status quo do not have any real advantages in this - except to the extent that they might be able to sort through the misinformation more rapidly than some normies who might not realize that they are being mislead into NOT investing into bitcoin.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on Today at 07:06:47 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 06:53:04 AM

I suppose that I just have some difficulties accepting too much painting of bitcoiners having to fit any kind of ideological mode or even anyone that is necessarily against traditional or status quo institutions, even if there may well be some truth that being a kind of independent thinker and someone who does not just accept status quo dogma might well make those kinds of people more receptive to BTC which seemed to have been the WillyWoo post that had been cited by LFC..

Good for you. I mean it.

Not just good for me, but good for anyone who is able to figure out the puzzle and to realize that bitcoin is and remains a good investment and also appreciates that we are quite likely still quite early within the adoption curve... You claim to be one of those guys too, so to the extent that you have been adequately (and perhaps aggressively) stacking sats over the past few years rather than just spouting out nonsense in these here parts, it is not going to matter whether any of us like you or not, you will still advantage quite stupendously by your having had been stacking sats and engaging in other behaviors to either sufficiently maintain and preserve your stash or to increase it.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on Today at 07:06:47 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 06:53:04 AM

I think that it is problematic to handicap yourself if there might be ways that you are able to use systems and options to your advantage.

True dat. As I said, based only on principle.

Fair enough.. if you are already sufficiently richie, then there might be no need to screw around with some of that. About 20 years ago, I started to play around with credit quite a bit in order to cycle it and use it for my cashflow and investments, and I still will employ some of those methods from time to time... including sometimes purposefully getting a loan, rather than paying in cash.. even though I am sometimes of the opinion that I do not need to screw around with credit, but I kind of consider it a sufficient camloflauge in terms of having a foot in both worlds and perhaps having fewer issues about potentially being some kind of weirdo and wonder how you got so much cash.. and you can kind of end up showing that you used credit to purchase, x y and z.. and then you pay it off at your own pace.. potentially early, too (perhaps no penalties, either to the extent that might matter).

Quote from: Cryptotourist on Today at 07:06:47 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 06:53:04 AM

~ and sure not everyone even has the advantages of having those kinds of options..

Huh? Planet Earth calling JJG, hellooo?
They are shoving debt down everyone’s throat, whether they’re liable or not. Hmmm.

Maybe everyone in your social circles has access to credit (debt), and sure there are expanding abilities to use debt, yet some people still do not have access to credit.. whether we are talking in the west or not.. you seem to be the one in a bubble if you believe that everyone has access to credit or banking accounts, etc... For example, remember part of the rationale that El Salvador had such a hard on for bitcoin was that around 70% of its population were unbanked.. so I doubt that those 70% or unbanked folks in El Salvador had access to credit... and we do not ONLY need to go to places like El Salvador to find examples of unbanked and persons without credit... likely and frequently through no fault of their own.