Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 12:47:54 PM

A number of possibilities. Could be that they are still writing up the data, but since these trials you linked are generally very small numbers of patients (<100), it shouldn't take them long to analyze. Could be that they failed somewhere along the way with recruitment, or administrating the intervention, or maintaining the blindedness, etc. Could be that their results were negative and so they just gave up and didn't bother to write them up.

That's another thing. There are many scattershot, low-quality, underpowered studies that are recruiting like 20 people to test a drug, and 20 people for the control group.

If there are so many patients, why are the sample sizes so small? If our hospitals are flooded with dying people, as you say, then why can't they enroll more than a handful at a time? Surely, there should be surfeit of people who could participate in these trials.

Something here does not add up.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 12:47:54 PM

If you get as far as the hospital with COVID then you'll get all the treatments we have good evidence for which I outlined above - dexamethasone, remdesivir, tocilizumab, NIV - all with the aim to prevent intubation.

Antivirals pretty much don't work unless they're taken as post-exposure or pre-exposure prophylaxis. This can be shown by examining the clinical course of the virus.

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/963/htm

https://curriculum.covidstudentresponse.org/module-1-from-bench-to-bedside/management-of-covid-19

At the onset of the ARDS/pro-inflammatory phase, the viral load has actually reached a nadir in most patients. There is no virus left to prevent the replication of.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/01/31/remdesivir-covid-coronavirus/?sh=aaaa7bd66c27

I hate having to repeat myself, but many, many studies cited by the media as proof of the ineffectiveness of antivirals were studies that recruited severely ill, hospitalized people. Oxford's RECOVERY study, for instance. That was pretty much people who had already reached day 10 post-exposure and were already suffering from hyperinflammation. Remdesivir does nothing, aside from putting additional strain on the liver, with a virus that already causes abnormal AST/ALT readings. That's a contraindication.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32702162/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33947196/

The treatment of COVID-19 patients is time-sensitive. These patients need early, proactive interventions to prevent them from progressing to sepsis.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 12:47:54 PM

Tell that to your fellow anti-vaxxers. They are the ones perpetuating this nonsense.

Many of them are believers of Antoine Béchamp who think that germ theory is actually wrong and viruses do not cause disease. It is difficult to warn people about a virus and its properties when the fundamental knowledge is so lacking. I do indeed blame the government and the rapidly declining quality of public education for that. People are wearing scientific ignorance as a badge of pride, because science has become so politicized. It shouldn't be. Knowledge is power, and science is merely a means of obtaining knowledge.

I hold both the worship of science and the hatred of science in equal contempt. The left trying to turn PhDs into clergymen is as appalling as the right rejecting science entirely. It doesn't matter if someone is right-wing or left-wing or whatever. They need to know that science is a valuable tool available to all, and it should not be perceived merely as an avenue of propaganda.

Granted, institutional science is becoming increasingly corrupted by special interests with questionable agendas, and science publishers are some of the most corrupt sons of bitches around. However, that doesn't reflect poorly on science as a concept. It reflects poorly on our institutions.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 12:47:54 PM

We give out plenty of information, barn door irrefutable information, and still some people deny it. People look at the death rates and falsely claim they are being inflated, as you just pointed out. People deny that hospitals are full, when we've literally taken over entire floors to turn them to expanded ICUs. People don't even think COVID is real, despite it being isolated hundreds of thousands of times and killing millions. Explaining the intricacies of COVID pneumonia or multi-organ failure isn't going to change the mind of these people. Indeed, as evidenced by this very thread, if you try to do so you get simply get insulted and told to go die.

COVID-19 can, in many circumstances, be a lethal, SARS-like disease with some rather extraordinary complications. It can also lead to disturbing sequelae, like ME/CFS, pulmonary fibrosis, and neurological issues. I don't doubt that at all. In fact, I encourage anyone who is still on the fence about COVID-19's pathology to do their own investigations and go over the primary sources to the best of their ability.

One of the best starting points is to approach the virus as a vascular endotheliitis that causes severe oxidative stress and iron metabolism dysregulation, leading to sepsis and lipid peroxidation in the pulmonary vasculature.

https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/41/32/3038/5901158#208335511

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7757048/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41420-020-00369-w

Lipid peroxidation - the oxidation or "bleaching" of fats in the body - is nasty process. See the following:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3075542/

COVID-19 patients have noticeable ferroptosis signatures in their tissues, Anti-PL and Anti-CL antibodies, high serum nitrotyrosine, and low nitric oxide bioavailability. All of these things point to the same thing; a pathological state dominated by extreme oxidative stress.

Once lipid hydroperoxides begin to form, they recursively increase inflammation by triggering pattern recognition receptors and attracting autoantibodies. They take forever to detoxify, too, so if you're going to try and dose people with antioxidants, NADPH oxidase inhibitors, calcium channel blockers, Vitamin D, selenium, NAC, Nrf2 activators, whatever, it has to be early. Very early on. Before the disease has progressed to hyperinflammation.

However, as I said before, I doubt there is a magic pill that prevents this. The key thing is for blood vessel physiology to be improved by a healthy lifestyle. The government guidelines should be for people to stay active, stay healthy, diet correctly, and lower their BMI if they're overweight or obese. This would, in the long run, save many lives, because the evidence for COVID-19 causing greater mortality in people with a higher body-mass index (likely due to pre-existing endothelial dysfunction) is overwhelming.

What are they doing instead? They're forcing people to stay indoors. Encouraging them to become fat and sedentary and sun-deprived. All of these things make COVID-19 measurably worse.

That scientist in Pittsburgh who was killed in a murder-suicide was an expert in iron metabolism and redox biology.

Bing Liu Knew.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 12:47:54 PM

Absolutely. And feeding them provable lies about how our single greatest weapon in the fight against COVID is gene therapy or mind control or nanotech or any other nonsense is the root of a lot of that fear.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, seen a vaccination campaign involving threats of martial law and firings for noncompliance. Given that the IFR of COVID-19 is relatively low in absolute terms, not even near to approaching the lethality of something like Smallpox (which people lived with day in, day out, without any economic disruptions whatsoever, despite the gruesome toll in lives it took every year), the lockdowns and the strange behavior of our governments makes no sense unless there is an ulterior motive.

Despite being morally abominable, mind control and depopulation are perfectly sensible motives. They "fit" neatly in the hole left behind by the absence of other explanations.

The thing about super high-frequency RF is that RF in the tens of GHz is stopped in the skin, and in the THz range, it's stopped by atmosphere. That's how the Raytheon ADS maser works; water molecules in the skin rapidly heat and produce a burning sensation.

There are, however, ways of getting tiny nanoparticles to receive lower frequencies than normal. One is plasmonic subwavelength waveguides.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijo/2012/258013/

http://ham.seas.harvard.edu/upload/papers/2012/ultra.pdf

The frequencies received by these are still too high.

Another, simpler way is self-assembling materials (i.e. electrostatic attraction, hydrophilic-hydrophobic attraction and repulsion, etc.) that make larger antennas in the body that can receive longer wavelengths.

https://www.orwell.city/2021/06/graphene-oxide-in-vaccination-vials.html

https://odysee.com/@Evolutionary_Life_Video_Archive:3/germanvaxxnanoparticlecovid19:b

People have the wrong idea about mind control. This isn't something as sophisticated as remote-piloting someone's limbs from afar, like in the movies. It's far more crude than that. If you had the ability to remotely stimulate the reward center of the brain, like they do with DBS electrodes on alcoholics, you could profoundly affect mood. The results, on a societal scale, would be undeniable.

For the Human Cattle Ranchers, there is a motive; ending populism and nativism, of course. Why would they do this? Simple. It would depress wages and put more money in their pockets if working-class people were cybernetically pacified to the point of emotionally accepting their status as serfs and giving up any ambitions of climbing any higher than that. It would also be great for the environment. Someone who is perpetually satisfied by a neural implant has no need of rich food or a vacation to Cancun, or other luxuries. That makes their carbon footprint smaller. It also makes them less desirous of sexual intercourse, which helps with overpopulation and tamps down on people's dissatisfaction with their inability to buy houses and start families.

The result? Instead of the default state of man in first-world countries being someone who demands a 3500+ square foot McMansion and a three-car garage, you now have a man who will happily live in a sub-50-square-foot prison cell eating locusts and mealworms for breakfast and then going to work and being berated by a fat lesbian while sitting in a cubicle and responding to memos for very little pay. He would never even consider rebellion against this state of affairs. He has been pushed off the hedonism treadmill and onto the floor.

So many effects, and all you have to do is pump fake reward into someone's reward center. Primitive, crude, and most of all, effective.

And, of course, if the vaccine does turn out to be a lethal depopulation kill shot in the long-term, such pacification would be absolutely necessary to keep people from rising up when they see their friends and neighbors become infertile and/or die from the effects.

You insist that the vaccine is beneficial and will reduce morbidity and mortality in the long run. Initially, in the short-term, this may have been true. However, newer data paints a bleak picture.

https://dreddymd.com/2021/10/02/ai-powered-dod-data-analysis-program-project-salus-shows-ade-accelerating-fully-vaccinated/

https://www.brighteon.com/c3c52dd7-7db9-4e1c-b386-58b9a6c97f5b

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/09/14/pfizer-27x-symptomatic-covid-break-through-natural-immunity.html

The breakthrough infections are getting worse and worse. How long before these antibodies flip to being non-neutralizing, and ADE (and with it, higher viral loads, greater rates of hospitalization, and higher morbidity) rears its ugly head?

The clock is ticking.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 01:46:26 PM

It is neither experimental nor gene therapy.

The Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines are the first-ever products to use mRNA technology, and they were adopted under accelerated trials. In Moderna's case, it's their first-ever commercial product. That should be considered a major red flag, however, the media and politicians are pushing vaccination as the way to end the pandemic. Except COVID-19 cannot be stopped. It is endemic, and it has animal reservoirs. You can't vaccinate it away any more than you can vaccinate away the flu or the common cold. They are being highly disingenuous, pushing medical countermeasures on people who don't want them.

Furthermore, it is entirely possible for mRNA to be integrated into one's genome by endogenous reverse transcription.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/

If, for some reason, the vaccine mRNA does become integrated into the host genome, that is a gene delivery system. That is, gene therapy.