Quote from: BobLawblaw on Today at 05:13:34 PM

@Spartacus

Speaking to more esoteric meta issues, can you speculate on the possible negative consequences to going through the infection process, surviving, acquiring the natural antibodies, and appearing to make a full recovery such that you can resume life?

Specifically, is humanity effectively long-term fucked because of the COVID-19 virus, irrespective of natural immunity, or is the larger meta concern that of the unknowns with the mRNA/Spike Protein affecting human biology, overall?

Also, in all seriousness, my partner has recently retired, and would like to know how he can help contribute to your efforts. He has a particular set of skills...

You truely deserve your unban and removeable from the list with this interesting real question, you will note that it's not said... nothing about treatment from the jab, nothing from the jab, just what we know about the biological attack with more words than useful...

not all, don't worry, there is much rat in us... some will make it, what ever they throw at us...

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Quote from: TruthSeeker2021 on Today at 07:33:11 PM

@ICENI_Spartacus

1. What do you think of al-hijama method immediately after taking the vaccine or just keeping a ginant neodymium magnet on your arm and then cutting the skin to release the vaccine? There are videos of people doing that - are they successfully extracting the vaccine this way?

2. Geopolitically speaking:
I don't know if you have already watched 007:No Time To Die or if you like this kind of movies but the plot is basically about a private terrorist organisation that steals nano-bots-virus from government lab which can target single human DNA or whole populations and exterminate them. All 007 movies over the past 59 years have been hugely prophetic and this I think is thanks to the British intelligence who have had the influence ever since the beginning of the movie series - Ian Fleming himself was a former intelligence operative (like we belive there can be "former" operatives...). The first information about COVID on the internet if you remember was posted on a bulletin board around two? weeks before Wuhan craze happened and the user claimed to be British intelligence related. Now... is it possible that British intelligence is trying to uncover what really happened with the No Time To Die movie? The movie got delayed two times and they had to re-shoot many scenes which led to the weird experience of the characters referring to the virus first as "nano-bots-virus" then as "poison-virus". They even filmed last scene in a flower garden - where the virus is supposedly being grown although how can you grow "nanobots" from flowers... doesn't make any sense. I think the movie was actually filmed with the "nano-bots" idea and actually being too accurate on what's coming - it made huge upsets around whoever is doing this COVID... then they had to adjust the movie until it wasn't so obvious it's tied to current situation. But still... I know you or others might say "predictive programming", but we're not speaking about Holywood movie, but about series which have had British intelligence influence and roots... until suddenly Amazon decided to buy the whole MGM during COVID days and before No Time To Die being released although it was finished (and artificially being held on a delay).

Although I agree that the narrative and the cahoots are on an international level and include a lot of people, isn't it impossible that literally everybody are in this? Why can't some seperate countries, agencies, influental and wealthy individuals be against this madness? Like you are. Aren't we too blind to not see who's for and who's against this? One thing isfor sure - the segregation is immense no doubt.

3. You really need to write like the most hopeful protocol for COVID treatment and(!) post-recovery. Like step by step. With medicine suggestion, ingredients and all. That would be awesome even if it's not proven or tested - maybe a shot in the dark can turn out to be a successful one right there in the bullseye.

again we are way past that... forward !!!

let jeff alone, he has the world to conquer

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Quote from: OutOfMemory on Today at 06:54:04 PM

Quote from: B1tUnl0ck3r on Today at 11:57:55 AM

By all hells watch this : Dr. Carrie Madej joined Stew Peters today and appeared obviously shook by what she had seen after examining Moderna and J&J "vaccine" vials.
4:30 https://www.brighteon.com/aa151644-a720-4842-8116-c016ffc64c58

omfg... self assembling structures... so for the BCI it would work to reach the 2mm length... at 60ghz what's the minimal length of the antenna? and would it be possible without even using self replication/assembling antenna to just use the own body as an antenna? I mean to use bones or structures in the corpse as length amplifier to achieve reception of commands?

now pics...

ommmmggggg..... alien covenant / life ///// end of time / give me my crysis suit NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW

edit that's what she fucking saw at 400x zoom (because muppets say magnification and fuck muppets).

self assembling antenna

and now... omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg... save us ! death come (aka salvation with death)

it's beyond words...

I have watched the video. She's coming off quite authentic, until the point where she said that "nothing has been added... no human tissue... ", she started to support her creative (right) hemisphere of the brain by looking to the left very often, particularly when which she talks detailed about what she examined was happening.
As a long time poker player, i can tell you that she's almost certainly making a lot of things up. If you don't believe me, i don't have the time to convince you, sry.

Now, the facts: Some proteins are used, so they would certainly de-naturate under the warm light of the microscope. Just split an egg over a pot of boiling water. No videos of the "tentacles" moving were shown, only stills. The Dr. lady is also an Osteopath, google that.
She already brought out some other fake finding, which was debunked already.

Just my three cents

I send you a lot of kisses ! thanks my ego appreciate

, I love the reference to the beautiful game... however it could have been sun flare... but she kind of cute

so who knows, they have a tendency to betrayal... but the point being that we don't give a fuck about what or who said it, let's redo it, and test ourselves...

particularly the blood post injection, saw some crazy bat shit stuff... very bad...

specially the succession cup china style done by a russia... omg, when it falls... the blop of coagulated blood... some nasty... horror...

my bet she is a good girl... with tenpenny, the bls 4 lab and the other (more skinny Cheesy

), go girlzzzz...

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Quote from: OutOfMemory on Today at 06:54:04 PM

Quote from: B1tUnl0ck3r on Today at 11:57:55 AM

By all hells watch this : Dr. Carrie Madej joined Stew Peters today and appeared obviously shook by what she had seen after examining Moderna and J&J "vaccine" vials.
4:30 https://www.brighteon.com/aa151644-a720-4842-8116-c016ffc64c58

omfg... self assembling structures... so for the BCI it would work to reach the 2mm length... at 60ghz what's the minimal length of the antenna? and would it be possible without even using self replication/assembling antenna to just use the own body as an antenna? I mean to use bones or structures in the corpse as length amplifier to achieve reception of commands?

now pics...

ommmmggggg..... alien covenant / life ///// end of time / give me my crysis suit NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW

edit that's what she fucking saw at 400x zoom (because muppets say magnification and fuck muppets).

self assembling antenna

and now... omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg... save us ! death come (aka salvation with death)

it's beyond words...

I have watched the video. She's coming off quite authentic, until the point where she said that "nothing has been added... no human tissue... ", she started to support her creative (right) hemisphere of the brain by looking to the left very often, particularly when which she talks detailed about what she examined was happening.
As a long time poker player, i can tell you that she's almost certainly making a lot of things up. If you don't believe me, i don't have the time to convince you, sry.

Now, the facts: Some proteins are used, so they would certainly de-naturate under the warm light of the microscope. Just split an egg over a pot of boiling water. No videos of the "tentacles" moving were shown, only stills. The Dr. lady is also an Osteopath, google that.
She already brought out some other fake finding, which was debunked already.

Just my three cents

She is not the first or only one to see all kind of ufo's in the vaccine
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg58014559#msg58014559

first one I saw.... stew is fbi... so who knows, they have finally waked up, at least the low ranking plebians...

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Quote from: eddie13 on Today at 06:20:52 PM

So I was hoping that this thread would show up on search engines searching “Spartacus letter”, but it does not..

What's the point? Anyone who knows about "Spartacus letter" probably knows where to find it, and also the fact check article that you mention actually has a link to the letter. What you really want is SEO for "covid conspiracy" or "vaccine mind control" or whatever it is you're trying to do with this letter.

Search engine optimization? another moron stuck on web 1.0... die useless bot... useless breeder, useless breather... seriously, those are to die

to move to w2.0.

muuuhhh it's "google"... it's fuckbook... muhhhhh... I have my Iphone (closed walled garden of hell) muhhh... fuck them.

drone striked.

Quote from: mindrust on Today at 06:27:42 PM

Quote from: eddie13 on Today at 06:20:52 PM

So I was hoping that this thread would show up on search engines searching “Spartacus letter”, but it does not..

Google.. Sigh..
Google has one real hit leading to a fact checker calling it false.. All other results are not applicable..

Bing and duck pull up many articles about it, but no links to this thread..

How do we fix that?
Cross post links to this thread to other forums and such?

I am no SEO expert..
Y’all that know what your doing should make this shit trend/go “viral”.. heh
Post it on Twitter and Reddit or whatever

You can't fix google, it is broken by design. However, even a broken google is 1000 times better than duckduckgo and my current default engine is duckduckgo, and yet, I still use google occasionally because fucking dumb duck just don't fetch the results I really need.

f them all p2p crypto backed or free... again... you are sooo lost, so fucking behind the curve... slowing us all down... fucking dead weight... take your jab and die... useless... if you were only modest... but no... you have to play arrogant, so called alpha to breed with subpar females... fuck that shit.

Quote from: ICENI_Spartacus on Today at 04:33:34 PM

Quote from: TruthSeeker2021 on Today at 03:41:32 PM

ICENI_Spartacus first let me say - thank you for existing. I imagine it must be very hard and tiring especially psychologically to go all in against the powers, against the narrative, and against the everyday normal people that you're trying to save but they don't realise it and attack you (kinda reacting like our own immune systems when they've been cheated and modified by the virus)... collecting information piece by piece like a bee and knowing you will get no reward or recognition even if you succeed in saving us - you're a special person driven by duty and thank God there are people like you. To stay sane and carefully analyse this weird horrific puzzle and to try and make sense out of it. Please don't stop. Even if you are on a wrong path sometimes - don't ever quit or take it as a discouragement as I believe you will eventually get your eureca moment and crack this all and for once. You are important as you have many of the events in your head, and many of the public information since COVID's emergence and in case this public info goes missing online (which is actually happening gradually and with time) - you will still be able to connect the dotts once you gather enough info or logical proof for what's happening. It doesn't matter if you're 1 person or a huge team - this Spartacus letter approach is working and getting to people so you're doing something - very right.

After seeing what the powers-that-be are doing to people, I decided that resistance was a matter of principles. It doesn't matter what happens to me. Not really. So long as the people who did this to us are made to suffer for it, their reputations dragged through the mud, and so long as these patients start getting treatments that actually work, all is well.

Quote from: TruthSeeker2021 on Today at 03:41:32 PM

Saying all this I want to ask you the following, if you allow me:

- What's your option on China and their vaccines? Why did China choose to go to the inactivated variant of a vaccine? For me - this is very interesting. US also has been working on inactivated virus vaccine which most definitely won't be used for the masses (perhaps only those high importance will take it). Is China really trying to protect their population from COVID which might have essentially been planned and executed as a bioweapon against them and against the rest of the world (killing China and enslaving the rest of the world). Perhaps they didn't expect China to close down so aggressively and to stop the COVID spread and come up with a vaccine to save themselves. If China were in cahoots with the planners why would they release it on themselves and why would they go the inactivated vaccine route which is less technological (they don't have mRNA technology) and perhaps... actually effective? From my perspective even if China did release the virus themselves to the world they still need to protect themselves with a working vaccine, so both situations require them to come up with a real vaccine... Otherwise why not just use mRNA like everybody else? Geopolitically if this is a war between Anglo-Saxons/NATO against the rest of the world (undeveloped nations who catch up economically and will want their share on global stage) then it makes some sense to look at it at this angle. There is no doubt about the ambitions of some people who want the One World Government but is this truly possible and achievable taking in mind there are also other people (Putin, Maduro, Duterte, Xi Jinping) wanting control of their own countries just as bad. Those people are as megalomaniacal as well - let's not forget that. As much as powerful and rich people align in philosophy - they don't like to share the bone they're holding. And if Macron, Boris Johnson, Biden, Ursula and others of this kind are perceived as tyrants or people of great power nowadays - they've climbed the power ladder rather easily by bending knee in front of their masters and aren't the true masters. So it's expected that they will just follow the agendas and the orders. But this can't be said about Putin, Maduro, Duterte, Xi Jinping etc. Their power ladder was climbed in a totally different way. Do any of us know just how many people has Maduro killed to get on top? Those people have truly earned their power. And to think they will just hand it down to Anglo-Saxons/NATO/ or... Schwab. Just because they have the same hunger to oppress people... well they already do this. If anything - democracies are scary because they allow free speech. And Venezuela, Russia, China aren't quite the democracies and never actually were even close to that. So what is your geopolitical stance and your China vaccine stance? What happens in the body when Sinovac or Sinopharm is used? What does the inactivated COVID do? I think we can pretty much disregard vaccine side effects as a proof of bad intentions as if you think logically... if their intention is to control populations by the vaccine, then the COVID itself will be the population reduction mechanism and the vaccine side effects are just... vaccine side effects (also why would they scare population by side effects like it's happening now... they want the population to actually take it... I think they just screwed up "Windows BSOD" style...) because all vaccines have them - side effects, especially the non-tested ones, and the rushed ones to the market. Also what is your proposed treatment/prevention protocol for coagulopathy?

I know that whole SARS vaccines have not worked well in the past. They induced immune sensitization.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

Consider this: why are China vaccinating old people last? The highest-risk group?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3127484/china-moves-elderly-further-covid-19-vaccine-queue

China has a demographic problem. A big one. Too many old people, and too many men. The one-child policy really screwed them up. They want more kids to man the factories, and less old people straining the safety nets.

US/NATO vs China/Russia is a giant red herring. The mere fact that the virus was created in a Chinese lab with funding from our own NIH, DTRA, and USAID shows this to be the case. What's actually happening is that the Human Cattle Ranchers (the HCRs, if you will) are playing kingmaker, trying to select some country other than the United States to be the head of the New World Order. The way they are accomplishing this is by the controlled demolition of the entire Anglosphere.

WWIII is presently happening. It is not a war between world powers. That's a distraction. The HCRs do not believe in nation-states; the idea of politics being a team sport with nations as the teams is an illusion for the little people. There is only one single, global, extractive enterprise, which all nations play a part in. This war consists of biowarfare and information warfare waged by governments against their own citizens, to stem the tide of overpopulation and prevent resource wars in the future. The combatants are not wearing uniforms and we are not being paid a salary to fight. In other words, we are being expected to react to psyops by volunteering our valuable time.

600,000 deaths in a year, most of them older people on the verge of death anyway, with many comorbidites, is not something that you would notice unless the media is blasting it in your ears 24/7. Would you know about the millions who have died each and every year for the past several decades of preventable illnesses if they didn't tell you? No. In China, where they have a demographic crisis and too many old people to take care of them, there could be millions of elderly dying right now, and there's no way for you to know if they've suppressed the figures or not.

The HCRs don't want to pay people's pensions. They want you to wageslave and then die. They want young, fresh, able-bodied meat for that purpose. That's what this is ultimately about. All of the people who you think of as enemies? The likes of Putin, Biden, Xi Jinping, Boris Johnson, Scott Morrison, and Justin Trudeau? These people all shake hands and laugh at you behind closed doors. They are actively contemptuous of all of us, and scheming of ways to thin the herd and rebalance demographics on behalf of their true masters. Everything else you're seeing is theater.

The coagulopathy of COVID-19 is brought on by the release of von Willebrand factor and the formation of antiphospholipid antibodies, among other things. This is due to oxidative stress in the blood vessels accompanied by EC activation and sloughing. To put it in layman's terms, all the caulking is falling off the inside of these people's blood vessels, leading to pulmonary angioedema and sepsis. The clots are from the body desperately trying to patch the holes back up. In the case of COVID-19, it's not so much "clotting", like one or two or a dozen large clots, as it is the entire bloodstream thickening and becoming syrup. This process is resistant to blood thinners like heparin and tPA, and going too far with those can cause fatal hemorrhages.

I'd say that the key thing is to restore endothelial health and prevent EC activation as much as possible. Tocilizumab and infliximab can reduce IL-6 and TNF-a, but preventing the activation of the transcription factors that make those in the first place could be helpful.

APPA, or Apocynin and Paeonol, is being investigated as a drug formulation for osteoarthritis.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32383062/

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Neutrophils are key players in the pathophysiological process underlying inflammatory conditions not only by release of tissue-damaging cytotoxic enzymes, reactive oxygen species (ROS) but also by secretion of important immunomodulatory chemokines and cytokines. Here, we report the effects of the novel agent APPA, undergoing formal clinical development for treatment of osteoarthritis, and its constituent components, apocynin (AP) and paeonol (PA) on a number of neutrophil functions, including effects on TNFα- expression and signalling. Neutrophils were treated with APPA (10-1000 µg/mL) prior to the measurement of cell functions, including ROS production, chemotaxis, apoptosis and surface receptor expression. Expression levels of several key genes and proteins were measured after incubation with APPA and the chromatin re-modelling agent, R848. APPA did not significantly affect phagocytosis, bacterial killing or expression of surface receptors, while chemotactic migration was affected only at the highest concentrations. However, APPA down-regulated neutrophil degranulation and ROS levels, and decreased the formation of neutrophil extracellular traps. APPA also decreased cytokine-stimulated gene expression, inhibiting both TNFα- and GM-CSF-induced cell signalling. APPA was as effective as infliximab in down-regulating chemokine and IL-6 expression following incubation with R848. Whilst APPA does not interfere with neutrophil host defence against infections, it does inhibit neutrophil degranulation, and cytokine-driven signalling pathways (e.g. autocrine signalling and NF-κB activation), processes that are associated with inflammation. These observations may explain the mechanisms by which APPA exerts anti-inflammatory effects and suggests a potential therapeutic role in inflammatory diseases in which neutrophils and TNFα signalling are important in pathology, such as rheumatoid arthritis.

Apocynin is found in kutki powder (ground-up picrorhiza kurroa root), and paeonol comes from peony root bark (p. suffruticosa).

Normally, I would not suggest herbal medicine for a virus as nasty as SARS-CoV-2, but there are many benefits of plant polyphenols in dealing with oxidative stress, and the triggers of inflammatory cytokines are often set off by oxidative processes interacting with the MAPK pathway, and, well, what we're really talking about here is acute inflammation that mimics rheumatic diseases, but occurs primarily in the vasculature.

Given that APPA shows the potential to reduce ROS release from neutrophils and prevent IL-6 and TNF-a release, and also given that COVID-19 involves a great deal of neutrophil degranulation/NETosis, oxidative stress, and IL-6 and TNF-a release, the science behind this is entirely logical. Granted, the concentrations found in plant roots are much, much lower than what you'd get if they isolated and purified them.

and you fucking felt on the trap...

moron !

I will show you how to trash who deserve it , and praise to whom it belongs (hint : xi xi Cheesy

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Quote from: ICENI_Spartacus on Today at 12:31:46 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 02, 2021, 08:48:54 PM

We see this kind of thing not infrequently in medicine, and even more so in critical care. Drugs or treatments which show promising results in vitro, show promising results in rodent models, maybe even show promising results in healthy volunteers, but when we apply them to critically ill patients, they either don't work or even make things worse.

Take colloids for example. They were going to be the next big thing and replace crystalloids for treating septic shock. They provided a bigger increase in blood pressure than crystalloids, and this increase lasted longer. They stayed in the intravascular space longer, they caused less peripheral and pulmonary edema and fewer third space losses. They allowed us to wean vasopressors more quickly. They made all our numbers and parameters better. And then the studies came out which showed that actually they were pro-inflammatory, they were bad for the kidneys, and they worsened mortality. So we are back with crystalloids except in very specific cases.

Take ventilation for example. When we first ventilated patients, we used large tidal volumes and high respiratory rates to help clear CO₂. We did this to get their PaCO₂ down to a physiological level, which helped to correct the acidosis associated with sepsis and bring their pH back to a normal level, which definitely improved things in the short term, stabilized the patient, reduced the requirement for inotropes and vasopressors, etc. And then the studies likes ARDSnet came out which showed we were causing volutrauma and barotrauma and allowing what we call "permissive hypercapnia" with lower tidal volumes improved mortality.

So then we get a treatment like antioxidants, which logically should work, and which give good looking data in rodents or healthy volunteers, but when applied to a critically ill population, simply don't work.

Well, you're absolutely right. Something that seems promising in vitro is not always useful in vivo. A drug that works great on a cell culture may never even reach the cells in question when applied to a living body, which is basically a giant maze.

However, that's not what I meant. Look at those links I posted again. Many trials have failed to post any results at all, even over a year after their completion. Not positive, not negative. Nothing. No data. That's so frustrating to see.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 02, 2021, 08:48:54 PM

Emphasis mine. These people would have had a near 100% mortality rate without intubation. I've intubated a lot of people with COVID, and in every single one they were critically hypoxic and, at most, a couple of hours from dying without intervention. It's also worth noting that the article with a mortality rate of 88% was published in April 2020, during the first wave, when we had no specific treatments for this disease. Less than a year later and the mortality rate is now down at 45% precisely because we have evidence showing us which "adjunct therapy", as you put it, is effective. As time goes on, and with other treatments being studied and widespread vaccination, that number will reduce further.

Isn't there anything that can be done in terms of surveillance and early treatment before they become critically hypoxic?

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 02, 2021, 08:48:54 PM

The public don't care. What can they do with knowledge that COVID causes severe DIC or pericarditis? They want to know when they can go on vacation again or go to a concert.

That's the wrong way of thinking about things. If there's no outreach at all, then people will become hostile and angry, simply because their bread and circuses are gone and they have no valid explanation for why this is the case, other than "there's a spooky pneumonia around".

I have seen so many instances where people go over the topic of COVID-19 death certificates, hear that a PE, stroke, or myocardial infarction killed someone who was sick with COVID-19, and then angrily grumble something about how hospitals are inflating COVID-19 numbers by designating deaths from infarcts as COVID deaths. I've spoken with a nurse who I see on my commute periodically, and he told me about a COVID-19 patient he saw who needed both her legs to be amputated from the knees down because of clots. People don't even comprehend the notion of an airborne virus that causes aggressive coagulopathy that can progress to disseminated intravascular coagulation. It does not compute.

I know they're trying to prevent a panic, but at this stage, more information is better. It has to be. What's going to fill the void if no one comes forward with answers? Long rants filled with angry and paranoid speculation? Mass unrest?

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 02, 2021, 08:48:54 PM

My condolences, sincerely. It's personal for a lot of us.

It is good to hear that the protocols for the ventilators have been adjusted and that mortality is dropping. Perhaps I came off as a little hyperbolic about them. I will have to correct that.

See? It's hard even for me, someone digging relentlessly into all this, to get up-to-date information on how patients are responding to adjustments in the protocols. Imagine the kind of dread and desperation for good-quality answers that the public must feel. Imagine how someone whose loved one is dying in the hospital feels. They don't know anything at all.

Back in February of 2020, I realized there was a shortage of PPE and equipment for healthcare workers that was about to make the following weeks and months into a living hell. I tried emailing HHS and the CDC about my concerns over supply shortages, but they never got back to me. Then, there were indeed shortages.

What we have is a crisis of trust. Public officials have done everything in their power to make millions of people very distrustful of them. The constant vacillation is appalling. First, masks are derided as useless, and travel bans are called racist. Then, they're mandatory; put these diapers on your face and cancel your travel plans. First, COVID is mostly transmitted by touch surfaces, then they say droplets, then they say aerosols. Two weeks to slow the spread and then it'll all be over, but it's actually two years and it's still going. The whole point of the stimulus checks was essentially to keep Wall Street afloat in the midst of an ongoing economic downturn due to the pandemic log-jamming just-in-time logistics, but we're told that this is to help people back up on their feet. Meanwhile, trillions of dollars were transferred from working-class people to the very rich.

Everything that they have done seems almost calculated to induce existential dread. People are demanding answers, but are receiving pepper spray and a truncheon to the face instead. Democracies have transformed, almost overnight, into brutal authoritarian hells. Everyone in the Anglosphere is watching Australia with open-mouthed horror and wondering if we're next.

How many people have lost their jobs over this? How many have slit their wrists in the bathtub or ODed on the sofa because they couldn't take it anymore?

Maybe if people hadn't been lied to and had their trust abused so flagrantly, we wouldn't be in this mess. People don't like to be turned into outcasts and pariahs in our own damn countries.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 02, 2021, 08:48:54 PM

Mostly low quality evidence. Cohort studies or self selecting studies, low number of patients, confounding factors, etc. One of those studies you linked even found that physical activity was a risk factor for COVID. If you take high quality meta-analyses which only include high quality RTCs, such as the one I linked previously or this one - https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2 - we generally find very sporadic and inconclusive evidence. I'm not saying there definitely isn't something there, but there is no good quality evidence to support it at present.

Very disappointing. I would have hoped that there would be something even better than dexamethasone for treating COVID-19 hyperinflammation by now. Sad

A lot of people don't realize that antivirals can range from mildly toxic, like Ivermectin, to highly toxic and injurious to the liver and/or kidneys, like Kaletra and Remdesivir. Antivirals generally work by inhibiting the cellular machinery that viruses hijack to make their proteins. However, our own bodies need that machinery to express our own genes, too.

These patients' own bodies are killing them. It's not even really the virus itself; it's a SARS-like over-exuberant immune response, like carpet bombing an entire city with B-52s to kill a few guerrillas. Everything is a balancing act when one proposes to suppress the immune system. Too much suppression, and the patient ends up with co-infections, as was seen in India when the heavy use of steroids led to mucormycosis. Disabling the armaments of phagocytes, suppressing DAMPs, and preventing the activity of inflammatory transcription factors like NF-kB, AP-1 and STAT is not always beneficial.

Some inflammation is good, just not the crazy inflammation seen in COVID-19.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 02, 2021, 08:48:54 PM

Almost all anti-vaxxers deliberately just turn a blind eye to published data and trials. I'm curious as to how you can understand how trials like these are the only way to reach firm conclusions and build an evidence base, but then simultaneously choose to ignore the evidence that the vaccine is reducing symptoms, reducing critical care admissions, and saving lives.

I am aware of the reports of lessened morbidity and mortality. What I'm worried about is ADE and the possibility that mortality from vaccine-related complications might eclipse any benefit over time, thus rendering the short-term benefits worthless. Yes, you're right in that quality, well-designed trials that produce good data are important, absolutely. However, all we have so far is a limited slice of time. We can make predictions, but we don't quite know what this picture will look like a year from now.

I keep hearing reports that adverse effects from the vaccines are being suppressed and kept hush-hush. Reports to the VAERS system are not being filled out, and even then, with the limited data available, the adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines seem to greatly outstrip vaccines for other diseases in previous years. The anecdotal reports are appalling. One news station asked people what their experiences were with COVID-19, and if they'd lost family from the virus. They instead got replies from hundreds of people claiming their family members were injured by the vaccines.

Lots and lots of people are very scared.

ICENI_Spartacus first let me say - thank you for existing. I imagine it must be very hard and tiring especially psychologically to go all in against the powers, against the narrative, and against the everyday normal people that you're trying to save but they don't realise it and attack you (kinda reacting like our own immune systems when they've been cheated and modified by the virus)... collecting information piece by piece like a bee and knowing you will get no reward or recognition even if you succeed in saving us - you're a special person driven by duty and thank God there are people like you. To stay sane and carefully analyse this weird horrific puzzle and to try and make sense out of it. Please don't stop. Even if you are on a wrong path sometimes - don't ever quit or take it as a discouragement as I believe you will eventually get your eureca moment and crack this all and for once. You are important as you have many of the events in your head, and many of the public information since COVID's emergence and in case this public info goes missing online (which is actually happening gradually and with time) - you will still be able to connect the dotts once you gather enough info or logical proof for what's happening. It doesn't matter if you're 1 person or a huge team - this Spartacus letter approach is working and getting to people so you're doing something - very right. Saying all this I want to ask you the following, if you allow me:

- What's your option on China and their vaccines? Why did China choose to go to the inactivated variant of a vaccine? For me - this is very interesting. US also has been working on inactivated virus vaccine which most definitely won't be used for the masses (perhaps only those high importance will take it). Is China really trying to protect their population from COVID which might have essentially been planned and executed as a bioweapon against them and against the rest of the world (killing China and enslaving the rest of the world). Perhaps they didn't expect China to close down so aggressively and to stop the COVID spread and come up with a vaccine to save themselves. If China were in cahoots with the planners why would they release it on themselves and why would they go the inactivated vaccine route which is less technological (they don't have mRNA technology) and perhaps... actually effective? From my perspective even if China did release the virus themselves to the world they still need to protect themselves with a working vaccine, so both situations require them to come up with a real vaccine... Otherwise why not just use mRNA like everybody else? Geopolitically if this is a war between Anglo-Saxons/NATO against the rest of the world (undeveloped nations who catch up economically and will want their share on global stage) then it makes some sense to look at it at this angle. There is no doubt about the ambitions of some people who want the One World Government but is this truly possible and achievable taking in mind there are also other people (Putin, Maduro, Duterte, Xi Jinping) wanting control of their own countries just as bad. Those people are as megalomaniacal as well - let's not forget that. As much as powerful and rich people align in philosophy - they don't like to share the bone they're holding. And if Macron, Boris Johnson, Biden, Ursula and others of this kind are perceived as tyrants or people of great power nowadays - they've climbed the power ladder rather easily by bending knee in front of their masters and aren't the true masters. So it's expected that they will just follow the agendas and the orders. But this can't be said about Putin, Maduro, Duterte, Xi Jinping etc. Their power ladder was climbed in a totally different way. Do any of us know just how many people has Maduro killed to get on top? Those people have truly earned their power. And to think they will just hand it down to Anglo-Saxons/NATO/ or... Schwab. Just because they have the same hunger to oppress people... well they already do this. If anything - democracies are scary because they allow free speech. And Venezuela, Russia, China aren't quite the democracies and never actually were even close to that. So what is your geopolitical stance and your China vaccine stance? What happens in the body when Sinovac or Sinopharm is used? What does the inactivated COVID do? I think we can pretty much disregard vaccine side effects as a proof of bad intentions as if you think logically... if their intention is to control populations by the vaccine, then the COVID itself will be the population reduction mechanism and the vaccine side effects are just... vaccine side effects (also why would they scare population by side effects like it's happening now... they want the population to actually take it... I think they just screwed up "Windows BSOD" style...) because all vaccines have them - side effects, especially the non-tested ones, and the rushed ones to the market. Also what is your proposed treatment/prevention protocol for coagulopathy?

fucking sodomite... not you the one you quote...

okay let's go... you are the target...

"? Why did China choose to go to the inactivated variant of a vaccine?"

for one simple reason : china / CPC / the central state really does love the chineses people... ahhh... don't watch your foxnews (hurt by the girl and controlled by those morons cia and or think thank tax suckers)...

second reason : cpc, csccpc (central standing comitee of the communist chinese party) aka the 9... so we have this safe vaccine (atteunated) which immunity increase over time or this mrna shit which doesn't work and lead to viral escape or ADE... q: what's the death rate of mrna? unknown, but a lot... maybe 1% to 20% or more... now on 1.4 billion... imagine the uprising?

conclusion : safe shit, gone and done, moving on... sewer, electric, water, so2, thorium, electrification, internet, cia attacks, conqest of conus... more plates in the air than you can believe, how is crazy rabbit doing on the moon? and mega mars rocking?

I find you post insulting... you compare a 2000 continuous central gov on a 5000 years continuous civilization to some thrid worlder shit with round eyes... you have no fucking idea... and then you spawn a "democracy", like the 2nd coming of hte christ to take a lulzy expression of the american mindcaptives... fuck off...

and what I find nasty is that you tried to fuck the poor spartacus in becoming Enemy of the People of China... failed... we let him be... we don't care, aka we listen, we see what we don't know, (we know it all) and just... it's not our business, as said enough on plates...

"Is China really trying to protect their population from COVID which might have essentially been planned and executed as a bioweapon against them and against the rest of the world (killing China and enslaving the rest of the world). "

it's not the first time, nor the last, until D.C, London, Paris aren't razed... that's it... they hate us... okay we get it... no worry... we buffed the pork attack (the herd is growing back) and will fuck them... when we say so.

"Perhaps they didn't expect China to close down so aggressively and to stop the COVID spread and come up with a vaccine to save themselves. "

those fuckers of the nwo / one world gov, aren't the people who saw biological warfare from Soviet Union, they are fucking academics brainwashed by gretha on the gov dole... they have no fucking idea what we are talking about... dreamers... with old renter and hereditary money (aka the rockfeller or rostschild of today have nothing to do with a jp morgan the man or nathan or the real oil guy... nothing) they just go their money... pfff... like if you feared playing basketball against the grand son of micheal jordan... pathetic... even if he wears his tshirt... mongoes...

"Geopolitically if this is a war between Anglo-Saxons/NATO against the rest of the world (undeveloped nations who catch up economically and will want their share on global stage) then it makes some sense to look at it at this angle. "

fundamentally you are a SoB because 1 you can't split your paragraph because it makes you feel more intelligent (it doesn't) and secondarly you insulted comrade xi great love for the people... that may not be forgotten even if you are just a scholar shit bag to die.

and worst of all, how you insulted the whole central state of china... terrible. we found the best (let's keep humble...) but yeah... that's it. 1:1.4B... so go away barbarian, we have wall of hells... okay?

and read confuscius it will make your fucking retarded mind.