Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 09:38:38 AM

Quote from: TruthSeeker2021 on October 03, 2021, 08:19:12 PM

Not to be offensive, but at this point I'd rather trust ICENI_Spartacus on everything medical although I'm sure he's no doctor and you're actually a real doctor. And do you know why? Because this anonymous man/woman/whatever is actually trying to connect the dots like... logically.

Lol. You trust them because they agree with your preconceived opinions. If someone else made a long post with lots of references saying that vaccines worked (you know, like the thousands of trials and studies which do exactly that), you would ignore them.

Quote from: TruthSeeker2021 on October 03, 2021, 08:19:12 PM

You're not doing the analysing, you're not doing the thinking.

Part of the issue with thinking that watching YouTube videos is somehow comparable to a medical degree and decades of first hand experience and ongoing education (apart from, you know, being an insane opinion), is that you can't even appreciate the disconnect between the two positions. Let's address the topic of reading and analyzing, since that is the one you brought up.

There is more to reading literature than just firing off lists of papers which you have hastily Googled which you think support your cause. You need to learn how to critically analyze research, weed out low quality case series or retrospective cohort reviews, pick out clear and hidden biases, assess the methodology, look for flaws in study designs and protocols, search for conflicts of interest, find any reporting errors, data errors, analysis errors, statistical errors, assess whether the data support the conclusions, the list goes on. Not only do anti-vaxxers not know how to do this, they don't even realize it is a process which should be done or even exists, which explains why they think a Bitchute video or some far right conspiracy blog is somehow "good evidence". It helps to explains why Spartacus is confused about why good quality trials show no evidence for the treatments they think should work based on poor quality trials. It explains why they link papers which are irrelevant to what they are talking about, mistakenly thinking they support their opinions, and why they links papers which make a very good case for vaccination. And it explains why anti-vaxxers are so impressed by a list of references that you have not read which do not support the points you think they support.

I have never claimed to be an absolute authority on anything, but I know how to read and analyze data and reach logical conclusions based on those data.

Quote from: suchmoon on October 03, 2021, 09:28:19 PM

So when you have a broken leg or appendicitis you get a random "man/woman/whatever" to fix you up instead of a real doctor?

I know when we were paying for our house to be built, rather than go to a certified architect and then take the plans to a registered construction company with decades of experience, we instead hired some guy who had never designed or built anything in his life but had watched a lot of vlogs. It was far cheaper! The fact that I am now living in a pile of rubble is irrelevant.

Quote from: BobLawblaw on October 03, 2021, 10:12:59 PM

Does the experimental gene therapy show any efficacy, at all, to mitigate these long term effects?

We know that if you have severe COVID then you are more likely to suffer from one or more long term sequelae. We also know that if you get vaccinated, then your risk of catching COVID is significantly reduced, and if you do still catch it, the severity of your disease is in general significantly reduced.

Anti-Spike antibodies cause autoimmunity.

https://odysee.com/@TimTruth:b/Dr-nate-autoimmunity:2

https://europepmc.org/article/PPR/PPR357777

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This study, using a virus-free mouse model, explores the pathogenic roles of certain antibodies specific to the spike proteins of highly pathogenic coronaviruses such as the COVID-19 and the SARS-CoV viruses. Our data showed that these pathogenic antibodies, through a mechanism of Antibody Dependent Auto-Attack (ADAA), target and bind to host vulnerable cells or tissues such as damaged lung epithelium cells, initiate a self-attack immune response, and lead to serious conditions including ARDS, cytokine release, and death. Moreover, the pathogenic antibodies also induced inflammation and hemorrhage of the kidneys, brain, and heart. Furthermore, the pathogenic antibodies can bind to unmatured fetal tissues and cause abortions, postpartum labors, still births, and neonatal deaths of pregnant mice. Novel clinical interventions, through disrupting the host-binding of these pathogenic antibodies, can be developed to fight the COVID-19 pandemic. In addition, the new concept of ADAA explored by this study may be applicable to other infectious diseases, such as the highly pathogenic influenza infections. It should be noted that the majority of anti-spike antibodies are non-pathogenic, as only 2 of 7 monoclonal antibodies tested showed significant pathogenic effects.

I don't consider myself anti-vaccine. I have my MMR, tetanus, everything.

The COVID-19 vaccine is not a vaccine. It is an excuse for a New World Order power grab that will see scores of people herded into technocratic-socialist smart cities, given state-issued crypto that can be revoked by the issuer at any time, their every move and every purchase monitored and tracked, all while being forced to behave according to a China-style social credit system. It is an excuse to turn billions of innocent people into lobotomized, neutered cattle.

These "vaccines" are going to screw people up for life. The companies peddling this garbage have legal immunity, too. Why did they demand legal immunity? Because they know that their products are going to be the new Thalidomide, Vioxx, or Levaquin.

My family has been directly affected by pharmaceutical injuries. My father had nasal polyps and was given Levaquin after surgery to remove them. He now struggles with tendinitis and crippling neuropathy in his feet. He has irreversible damage to his body that has harmed his quality of life.

The pharmaceutical industry are not the benevolent gods you see them as. They do not deserve to hide from legal exposure.

Quote from: TruthSeeker2021 on Today at 07:38:13 AM

@ICENI_Spartacus, can you answer us this?

"1. What do you think of al-hijama method immediately after taking the vaccine or just keeping a ginant neodymium magnet on your arm and then cutting the skin to release the vaccine? There are videos of people doing that - are they successfully extracting the vaccine this way?"

Thank you... I'm sure there are others who wonder the same... Thank you for your work!

Making any kind of break in the skin is a good way for it to get infected. Personally, if people are against the vaccine, I would recommend simply not taking it, no matter the consequences (loss of employment, et cetera).

People who are against the vaccine need to stand our ground and call our leaders' bluff. The mass workforce loss will have a huge punitive effect against the companies following the mandates.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on Today at 10:10:59 AM

OK, I’m literaly asking for a friend.

@Spartacus

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Why not the following 6 antioxidants? Ashwagandha, PQQ Pyrroloquinoline quinine, Coenzyme Q10 (ubiquinone), α-Lipoic Acid, Ginseng, Resveratrol.

Not a bad idea.

Quote from: B1tUnl0ck3r on Today at 01:45:10 PM

what the cia do? rage in raping more white kids with fbi agents under the watchful eyes of the doj? (excluding the special rape clubs of the dod, as they are exclusive to the traitors in green)?

Pedogate is real, and it's far worse than people think.

This is a node graph of Jeffrey Epstein's connections:

https://graphcommons.com/graphs/0a79deca-46a2-48e9-9d90-326b20aa6e9e

This is who Jeffrey Epstein is connected to:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/cia-israel-mossad-jeffrey-epstein-orwellian-nightmare/261692/

https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

And this is what was going on in Belgium during the Dutroux scandal:

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Belgium:_Dutroux_dossier_summary,_1235_pages,_2005

The Human Cattle Ranchers use pedophilia blackmail to haze prospective members, seal contracts, et cetera. Essentially, the highest levels of government, espionage, and finance are captured by a pervasive and highly pernicious form of organized criminal syndicate.

These people are engaged in a massive, global power grab simply because they fear the consequences of exposure to the general public, which would be dire for them indeed.