Quote from: Cnut237 on Today at 11:56:34 AM

Quote from: figliar0 on Today at 11:19:08 AM

Many people died, but many people also hasn't any symptoms. Isn't it because of this general immunity?

This discussion point started on Jet Cash's assertion that vaccination was unnecessary. You are saying that some people have been exposed to Covid, and yet experienced no symptoms. Yes, agreed. You are also saying that many people have died from Covid. Yes, agreed. So why is vaccination unnecessary?

I want to say, that it is not true that generic immunity do not help for covid. The fact that some people died for covid doesn't mean that we should spend lots of money to vaccination for everybody, exactly like in the case of flu vaccines. There should be consideration of pros and cons.

Quote from: Cnut237 on Today at 11:56:34 AM

Quote from: figliar0 on Today at 11:19:08 AM

What is the data supporting pro-waxers arguments? Those data comes from people directly motivated by finance income. Is those data reliable? Lets say it directly: politicians lied to us lots of time, how can I trust to them? So pro-vaxxers arguments are based on faith, that politicians do not lie.

The vast collection of data from ourworldindata is available for download here: https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data
The list of sources is available here: https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19
It is not a question of faith in politicians. I have zero faith in politicians, and I don't trust our government at all. My background and expertise is in science and data. I look at the data.

How can you know that science data is not fake? It happened lots of time in history, that science data was custom-made for political purpose. I worked ten years in public university, science is funded exclusively on the basis of nepotism. I don't want to say that the situation is everywhere the same, I just wondering, why politicians in our country still have to lie and scare, when they have clear science data to persuade people rationally.

Quote from: Cnut237 on Today at 11:56:34 AM

Quote from: figliar0 on Today at 11:19:08 AM

pro-waxxers (or generally pro-gov-restrictions people) contribute to these issues by obeying government.

I started working from home and taking distancing precautions whilst our government (UK) was still insisting Covid wouldn't be a problem. The data from Italy and Spain were clear, yet the fools in charge don't understand (or willfully misunderstand) the data.
Similarly I still wear a mask when I'm out, but our government have said they're no longer needed.
It is not a question of pro-vaxxers blindly trusting government.

So you are going above the scope of restrictions. Don't you mind that these restrictions caused collapsed economy? Don't you feel little bit guilty that you participate to cropper bussiness of some people?

Quote from: Cnut237 on Today at 11:56:34 AM

Is your issue with the Covid vaccines in particular, or with the concept of vaccination in general? Historical data for smallpox and polio as two examples from many, are perfectly clear.

I am not anti-waxxer in general. I am just actual situation anti-waxer, because of:

politicians abused whole covid situation to tighten their power over people;
politicians abused whole covid situation to steal public money;
I don't think covid vaccine will help (much), just like in case of flu;
covid vaccine is not well tested compared to other vaccine, testers should get paid for this;
covid is not so deadly big deal, making expensive show is not worth of it.