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Quote from: Cnut237 on October 11, 2021, 08:51:58 AM

4.5 million people have died from Covid so far. A vaccine might be a good idea.

How much is it in relative %? Not much, hm?

The maths is quite straightforward. If you're incapable of calculating, it's about 1 in 1,750 people globally. And rising.

Yes, math is simple, and tvbcof did the calculations for us - so don't fear and say that percentage number and think about it. And of course, Mr Obvious - number of died would always be higher and higher - I am sure you understand why.

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A vaccine might not be a good idea, when we consider all cons, including fact, that nobody knows if it will work just a bit to future mutations.

This thing solves our current problem. But it might not solve future problems, so let's do nothing instead. Brilliant. Roll Eyes

This maybe solves our current problem in short-time and brings lots of more problems in the future. Just say it whole. But from some reason you cannot or don't want to see that.

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it must be very depressing, when someone shoot with your own weapon, isn't it?

Are you suggesting that you've won some argument? I can't see that you've even managed to make a valid point yet.

No. I am suggesting that you are prejudiced, using dogmatic view on situation and do not accept that there are other issues then death, which are getting worse with restrictions.

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anti-waxers, considering them as responsible

Anti-vaxxers contribute to the spread of the virus, help to keep it in circulation, and help to create new variants. Yes, of course. This is not controversial.

Pro-vaxxers contribute to economical issues (not only to individuals but to whole nations), tightening political power, destroying psychological health and social coexistence. And (because they still can catch covid) they help to create new variants. These issues will exists for tens years with us. And yes, this is considered as controversial, but sad true.

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but you are angry when someone talk about consequences of action for pro-waxers and you considere discussion as finished. Isn't this behaviour strange? Doesn't we call it hypocritical? Do you even try to thing how could other people who lost their jobs and bussiness feel and live because of your action?

I'm irritated with you because I find your position morally indefensible. 4.5 million people have died, and this number would be far higher without lockdowns, and of course without vaccination. How many people have died because their business lost some profit? No need for exact figures, just give the answer to the nearest million.

Morally indefensible? Really? Some extremely low percent of population died and you stoically say that you do not care about:

private bussiness which support living of families
psychological health
education
healthcare

And of course not just today but tens of years in the future? You want to speak about morality? You don't care about others lives and you have some requirements to them? And of course I am sure that you have some data about that number which would be far higher without lockdowns. How can you know? You think or believe?

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Quote from: Cnut237 on October 11, 2021, 08:51:58 AM

There are huge, independent datasets from most countries in the world. And not just from governments, but also from universities and professional bodies. Do you really think this is all fake? Why would it be?

Because of money and power like always.

You are outraged not that millions have died, but that some people have lost profit. And yet you won't accept data from anywhere, because you think it's all motivated by money. "Doesn't we call it hypocritical?"

Oh please, just wake up from that dream you are living. You just don't accept any other issues linked to restrictions. Just go get shopping, maybe you will see how higher is the price of food in compare to last year. How should someone who lost bussiness do feed children without profit? You don't care? He/she doesn't care about gov restrictions. But of course they have to support these restrictions by paying taxes.

Thanks again to tvbcof who did the job and looked what sort of data sources you are using.