Quote from: bakasabo on Today at 08:02:43 AM

I dont want to name country I am from, that is why I will post plain statistics that I remember. Last year in same month we had around 1000 cases and 10-15 deaths daily. Now we are having 2500-3000 cases and ~30 deaths daily. In general - we got vaccinated and during a year covid situation got worse. How could this even be?

Difficult to say without knowing the specifics, but there are in general many complicating factors. For example my country is highly vaccinated, but our number of Covid cases is nearly at a record high. Why? Vaccination has meant that now a far lower proportion of people who contract Covid experience severe symptoms, and the overall death rate is low, so the government has decided not to implement a lockdown, and is progressively easing social restrictions.
Your figures suggest that vaccination in your country has not reduced the death rate amongst people who contract the virus. I'm skeptical.

Quote from: bakasabo on Today at 08:02:43 AM

We are during a lockdown for several weeks, number of cases stays the same.

Total cases or new cases? Obviously there will be a lag of a number of weeks, either way. If it's not improving after a month or so, then I'd suggest that the lockdown is not strong enough, or people are ignoring it.

Quote from: bakasabo on Today at 08:02:43 AM

What I dont understand is curfew from 21:00 to 6:00. How can this help and improve situation?

I don't know, it may be pointless if people are allowed to gather freely at other times.

Quote from: bakasabo on Today at 08:02:43 AM

We dont have a martial law in our country, but I cant got to a shop for example, if I had forgotten to get something for an evening movie. Another stupid situation - yesterday after a walk&chat with my friend, I had to speed walking or was almost running at home.

But this isn't about whether lockdowns and social distancing are a good idea, it's more an objection to the specifics of the implementation. A poorly implemented idea doesn't invalidate the idea.

Quote from: bakasabo on Today at 08:02:43 AM

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 20, 2021, 06:31:47 AM

Btw, a friend of mine once mentioned that during WW2, at first people were divided into everyone else and Jews. Jews had to carry ID everywhere and there were places where they were not let in. Then Jews annihilation started. Don't you find Jews, ID, not letting them in identical to dividing people to vaccinated and unvaccinated, and not letting unvaccinated people in some shops or giving them services?

I find it both preposterous and morally abhorrent when people compare having to show a vaccine passport to the holocaust. If you believe that vaccination is a prelude to a global extermination programme, then you're an imbecile. Do you really think that living in 2021 and having to show a vaccine passport to get into certain places is the same as being a Jew in 1943, and on a train bound for Auschwitz?

If you re-read my post, you would notice that "a friend of mine" made such a comparison. Btw, user Tash made a good post. Just read his post, make a replacement and find similarities.

Then I think your friend's contention is morally abhorrent. Having to show ID when you enter a shop is somewhat different to being imprisoned in a Nazi death camp.