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people who say an RBE cant happen ever.... what if humans change over time, does that matter?

People don't say BRE can't happen, they say that for it to happen, someone has to really coerse and force people around to keep them in line. Just like communism can happen, as long as you kill off about 6 million people who may protest.

For it to happen a majority of the population would have to want it, There would always be people that don't want it, Like the rich that have a lot to lose and they would of course protest and lobby against the RBE until the day the died.

Some say the RBE would be communism but i disagree, In the venus project style RBE there is no ownership and no money so i don't see how anyone could control the means of production if no one could own anything,

Of course people could own stuff. Owning something is as easy as taking it and stating that you now own it. As long as noone makes the same claim you own it. Problems come when multiple people claim they own the same thing.
If you don't want ownership you would need to prevent people from taking it. And for that you would need to hurt people.

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It's money that allows people to get into a position of power over others, If you take that away then it becomes more and more difficult to control or have authority over someone else.

Not true. Money is just a carrier of wealth. If there is no money someone could take control of drinking water and excert power that way. The problem is that when someone collects things that others want (any kind of resource like money, water, food, clean air, etc, etc) it created a power relation. It is just a fact of life. We need stuff to survive and someone can take these things away from us. If you can't prevent that you cannot have a 'fair' system.

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The only way i see it happening is if we finally exhaust the monetary based systems,

The problem is not with the money. Money is just a bunch of tokens.
The problem is the power relations that change under the inflence of posession of resources.
RBE does not solve his problem of inbalance. It just blindly assumes that everyone wants to cooperate and noone will take resource hostage.
In the real world this can only be achieved with coercion which is not part of RBE.

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This will happen eventually because all monetary based system require infinite growth to survive, The whole infinite growth thing is kinda hard to do on a planet with finite land mass.

Thisw is just a modern way of managing global resources. It has nothing to do with money itself. It is the system that is flawed. As a society we thrive on pissing away resources. In the past 100 years, when the modern global monetary system emerged, all countries in the world increased life quality. So the system worked better than anything before. We just have to face the fact that resources are limited and in the end we will be forced to accept this.
The (imho) only positive thing about RBE is that it accepts this fact now. But the solution offered is inappropriate for humans.