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Quote from: gwestcot on November 26, 2021, 07:23:07 PM

Besides, I am not entirely naïve in the thinking that bitcoiners uniting makes some utopian society. I just think the current ones are too broken and starting anew with a stronger foundation would have greater chances of success than staying within the rotting legacy system.

Stronger foundation..
Take a look at the Bitcoin foundation and what happened and who its members were, just because you replace the current governing body with a brand new one that is full of revolutionary ideas it means nothing, how many revolutions were triggered by the same "unfair" and "rotten" system have ended costing more lives than the previous? And you're going to build it with the same people, the poeple who have been actually been advantaged by the current system since the ones who will afford to move there are the ones who could afford things previously too.

Sorry , but an utopia is an utopia

Quote from: gwestcot on November 26, 2021, 07:23:07 PM

I would like to think there are many people willing to venture into the unknown. It is definitely fraught with risk but the payout is immense.

Rather the bill is immense, let's forget about the island itself and the whole infrastructure you're going to have to build.
Everything that is at a small scale is losing money economically when providing basic services, for example, you're going to have to build hospitals with every doctor for every major disease otherwise it would make no sense, right, for everything you need to take the plane and fly 1000 km to receive treatment. And with a small community of <25 000 you won't be able to do it, neither will you manage to get the education right, and a lot of other things, no small community will ever be independent, you can see this in small towns that rely completely on the major metropolis close by for everything.

And the payout? Payout in what?
Quantify this payout in anything cause I'm really curious about it.

Quote from: gwestcot on November 26, 2021, 07:23:07 PM

But yes this location is not close to any world power at all. It is exceedingly remote and is not near any fault lines, volcanoes, or storm prone areas.

Hmm, so we delete locations near fault lines, we cut seas close to US, EU, IN, CN, we stay between the tropics lines, we ditch the Atlantic area, so what is left is the western Indian ocean or Polynesia. For the second I don't see anyone letting you build something there, not with the current geopolitics and all the eco-movement drama. If you're wondering why not, simply, because nobody wants to have an island popping out of nowhere that can be taken over by a foreign power and drive a wedge on the current influence map.

Well you fill in the discovered vulnerabilities in the structure of existing governments that cannot now be patched due to political reasons. That is what I meant in regards to building a stronger foundation. However, there may be some yet unforeseen vulnerabilities in a particular constitutional structure so sure it could, with enough time, end up in the same place as today. That being said, that is basically the summation of the entirety of human history with human civilization repeating the same basic patterns over and over.

Small communities or nations can also do some things that don't necessarily scale at large. An example of this would be Singapore and a few others I am sure we can create a short list of. I imagine tourism, banking, bitcoin mining are all possible industries if infrastructure is planned properly. I haven't gotten to the comprehensive list of the cost of infrastructure on the island itself but from preliminary calculations and research I believe that the dredging would likely be more expensive than the infrastructure itself. However, my idea is that everything would be circular and self sufficient in nature. Basically, near zero waste and life essential items such as water and food are mostly created or grown on the island. This would require a lot of forethought in the zoning and city planning department but it is not outside the realms of possibilities given that we can learn from previous examples of island nations. Additionally, the area is rather large being 46 square miles in total but I am fairly confident that not all of it would be usable due to some of it being needed for dredging material. It would likely need to be done in 2 year phases due to the enormity of the task. As far as location, you are indeed terribly off base. However, the eco-movement would surely be an inhibiting factor as it is with everything but there are definitely ways to assuage the eco-crazies. Admittedly, I haven't thought much about the geopolitical aspects but I do know it holds absolutely zero strategical advantage to anyone. I have also looked at fishing vessel traffic to the location and it is extremely sparse to the point that only a few ships have visited there in the past year with none staying longer than a few hours. If there is a location it is possible to do this, then it is definitely the one that I have discovered. There is one other area that is possible but it would likely cause a greater uproar given the fishing traffic there. Additionally, there are 8 others in which it is technically possible but are too cold for anyone to really want to live there. Anyways, I enjoy the constructive criticism so please do give me more. Additionally, take the very quick survey above to provide me with a little feedback.