Quote from: n0nce on December 01, 2021, 03:23:12 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on December 01, 2021, 10:45:33 AM

Lightning simply for payments is currently not happening

Quote from: Wind_FURY on December 01, 2021, 10:45:33 AM

everyone prefers to use onchain. But it will happen for something else, another form of utility for users.

Do you have anything to back these statements? Arguments and / or sources?

Nothing definite, but do we see the many people in the community stop using onchain payments, and start using the Lightning Network? Have we seen a surge in adoption of Lightning payments that’s noticeable? Have we seen exchanges start adopting Lightning, instead of listing more “faster” shitcoins?

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on December 01, 2021, 06:08:08 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on December 01, 2021, 10:45:33 AM

Lightning simply for payments is currently not happening, everyone prefers to use onchain. But it will happen for something else, another form of utility for users.

As part of everyone, I confess that it's been a long time since I made an on-chain transaction for purchasing something. I only purchase lightning-ly. So, I question your statement. I'd actually say that lots are already using the lightning network for payments, even if it doesn't cost that much to pay on-chain. It's cheaper, faster and more convenient.

What services/merchants do you Lightning for, and how much of Lightning was used for those services/merchants compared to onchain payments and shitcoins?

Lightning will realize its utility, but I believe it might not be for faster/cheaper payments.