Quote from: giantdragon on March 23, 2014, 11:34:37 PM

humans will have no application even in socialism and start degrading when bots do 100% of work.

Well, ain't this a Industrial Age view of humans as machines or cogs in the wheel that rust out when they are not within the machine well oiled in the labor of mass production...

Since when people degrade when they are doing the things they actually love to do instead of running as machine parts?

That's when humans flourish.

And besides, people will always figure out something new to do.
We are creative beings that have imaginations and we work better when we do things out of free and passion will instead of slavery.

Thinking also that if humans have no occupations they will not amount to anything... Wrong.
That's the old school monopolist propaganda to keep people in the factory.

People who have no jobs these days are unproductive because of poverty that goes with it.

The fact is that when we go far enough into full automation, we just HAVE TO re-value our lives based on actual social value, how good we are to each other rather than who is the best one to obey. In a sense, we have needed slavery to develop this far technologically. And it has always gone to the direction where we can make our innovations our slaves.

Using human lives for slavery is inefficient these days and soon only ignorance and bad politics are in the way of global abundance.

That's why I made a point earlier that all of these things will eventually lead to human worth and value re-assessment where classicism can no longer be held as the basic human worth estimation measure. As stated, that is no longer true in the Digital Age and beyond.

Now, it lets to be seen what sort of A.I. there will be.
Will it be capable of thought superior to human beings or will it be just super intelligent in it's calculations and estimations.
The difference really becomes, whether it will actually gain it's own "life" aka. consciousness, self-awareness beyond just human friendly operation system mimicry for human mind, or a real individual thinker.

If it remains machine-like where humans have to program it to be mind-like, it will not be able to take all functions of human spirit, creativity, envisioning beyond numbers, thinking completely out of the box, creating any truly genuine design, etc.

In that case, humans will not be useless and the coexistence will be just like anything we have already seen, but just linearly taken further;
Meaning that when there is no mundane work to be done by human beings, we are free to focus on enjoying our lives rather than running the rat-wheel ourselves. I'm sure most of you do have hopes and visions what you would do if you became free via cryptos.

There isn't uselessness and malfunction in that picture isn't there?
You would continue working on whatever you felt passionate about!

Now if the machines actually became sort of a next step in evolution creating a kind of super beings, well, we would be on their mercy anyways and these kinds of discussions would be rather pointless.