Quote from: SiNeReiNZzz on Today at 10:38:50 PM

Quote from: sarvankr on Today at 09:18:37 PM

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Unfortunately, this is not unknown in any way. The problem has been going on for a long time in this forum.
Many members keep pointing out that not everything is correct with this provider.
As you can see, many people still fall for it and play there.
Although even a simple search on Google quickly makes it clear that there are problems here.
Therefore, I can only say again and again, do your research before you deposit money somewhere!

Or maybe you should do the research before answering the cheater..? Wink

Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 19, 2021, 07:54:03 PM

Quote from: sarvankr on November 19, 2021, 12:22:27 PM

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It's pretty well known that live Table Tennis betting has been a weak spot when it comes to players exploiting bad lines from online books. There are tons of matches, the quality of coverage is poor, and the pace is very fast with new lines after every point which can happen as fast as every 10-15 seconds. If a player can find a live stream or update source just a few seconds ahead of the Casino, they can place wagers that they know have already won.

With that in mind, lets look at the time line of facts this guy has shared so far.

Nov 14th he signs up for 1xbit, makes two deposits for 500 and 890 USDT and places 5 bets, all of which are settled within the same hour.

He loses 490 on a soccer match and then loses 3 Tennis bets for 20, 30 and 25 USDT before the bet in question here:

Table Tennis: Fedorov vs Pinkovsky, while the first set was being played he bet 680 USDT that Pinkovsky would win by more than 3.5 points.

From his screen shot we can see that 1xBit had the live score as 7-10

In table tennis you play to 11, and you have to win by 2, which means he was essentially betting on the outcome of a single point. If Pinkovsky won the point, he would win the set by 4 points. If he lost the point, it would be impossible for him to win the set by more than the 3.5 point handicap.

This situation is exactly what it would look like if the bettor had access to a live feed just a few seconds ahead of the sportsbook.

Turns out Pinkovsky won the point. They voided the bet. And the next day he created a new bitcointalk account to post in this thread.

I don't think it's ok for any book to regularly put themselves in this situation. If their tech can't keep up with all the table tennis lines in real time, they shouldn't offer action. Or at the very least there needs to be a third party archiving all the action with time stamps so that there's proof one way or the other. Eventually, innocent bettors will get caught up in the cat and mouse game between the house and players taking advantage of them.

This situation looks pretty clear to me though. I think sarvankr made that live bet because he knew what the outcome would be and now he's playing us for fools pretending that he didn't.

Quote from: brassnuts on Today at 10:47:21 PM

I've been following this thread for a little while, and it really does seem like most complaints are related to live table tennis bets.

1xbit had 2 choices how to deal with these issues, and they were:

1. Remove live table tennis betting so that they can fix their reputation

or

2. Keep the live table tennis and just take the money of any of the people who try to abuse the market inefficiencies

They seem to have taken the latter option, possibly because their reputation is already at an all time low.

With regards to this, are there actually many people complaining about 1xbit in other events apart from live table tennis?

From what I can remember, 90% of the complaints are about live table tennis. The others are about not returning the deposit (after the account has been blocked, possibly after trying to cheat on live table tennis). It is clear that all these cheating attempts and complaints are made by one or possibly two people. Look at the regularity, the structure of the text, the vocabulary, and the fact that there is aggression and insults at every attempt of any contact.