Quote from: Cryddit on March 24, 2014, 05:36:26 PM

Quote from: skilo on March 22, 2014, 11:36:00 PM

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The only way i see it happening is if we finally exhaust the monetary based systems, This will happen eventually because all monetary based system require infinite growth to survive, The whole infinite growth thing is kinda hard to do on a planet with finite land mass.

Well, somebody has to have a better idea. The money based systems have collapsed. Again and again and again, ever since forever. But what emerges from the wreckage, so far, has always been another money based system.

I think money based systems *are* consistent with sustainability, but so far haven't been sustainable under human management. Is our management ability getting any better? I dunno. Maybe. We have power tools for information that we didn't have before. Maybe we'll be able to apply some decent craftsmanship now on a large scale.

And that's the way it will continue, Monetary systems only last so long and then they fail and we start a new monetary system again, But what i meant by "Infinite growth" was we can only do this so many times before there is no more room left for economic growth, Eventually you have to level every acre of forest and plunder every resource until you run out of one or both, Then comes the big collapse.

After that the only thing left that could save us would be a change in the way we think and relate to the world around us, A global shift in conciouness from the "For profit" state of mind to "We need to work together or we are fucked" state of mind.